We all have heard the saying, “don’t bring a knife to a gun fight“. Well what if you’re in that predicament – that you and a bad guy are in that mano mano, face-to-face situation. Bad guy pulls a knife out, you’re able to pull your pistol out, but due to the close quarter distance – you’re both in a stalemate position. What are some options now for those “in your face” situation.
Enter Jared Wihongi of Black Label Tactical, he is a 16 year Law Enforcement Officer with 13 years as a SWAT operator. Wihongi currently contracts with the U.S. government to teach to Law Enforcement and military personnel in hand to hand combative methods.
Wihongi demonstrates in this video some basic tactics to get an upper hand so you can come out on top, take a look below.
As you can tell Wihongi self defense methodology is pragmatic and combines the best of both world in gun fighting, knife tactics and grappling skills. Just like in shooting where you dry fire to practice your trigger control, you would need to invest some time into these skills to be proficient.
What are some good training that you have come across?
[Jared Wihongi] So, um, This is a concept that I’m quite passionate about, is a combination or integration between guns, knives, and empty hands. So I call it Close-Quarter Force Integration Tactics; and essentially it’s my tactics for gunfighters.
[Cameraman] Knife tactics for gun fighters?
[Cameraman] Uh, can you give us an example of what that curriculum might look like?
[Jared] Yeah! So there’s two ways that this goes. So one is using knife movement and principles– Knife fighting movements and principles, with the gun in the hand, or implimenting the gun. And that’s based on principles of angling, movement, footwork, mobility, controlling distance, so I’m working from a contact distance–clinch ranges. And what I mean by that, is -for example- if I’ve got a– a lot of times when dealing with knife tactics and close ranges, doing those clinch ranges, we’ve got different positions that we try and solve. One of those would be what we call ‘Stalemate’ position. And a stalemate position is, if someone’s presented an edged weapon, and I was able to defend against that somehow, some shape or form, and I’ve got to hold their arm, and now I look to get my weapon presented and get that into the fight, well he wants to survive, too, right? And so a lot of times, you end in these stalemate positions. And now I’ve got a hold of his weapon, he’s got a hold of my weapon, and we’re trying to see who can get free first.
So, immediately, one of the tactics that I would use for this, which comes from knife fighting, is the Duck Under. Down through here, and I move around, and I’m addressing the target from this position. Ok? That’s one example of a knife tactic for gunfighting.
[Cameraman] Got another one?
[Jared] Yeah so, um, another example is, you know, being able to– if I don’t ave my weapon in my hand, and I need to bring it to bear, and maybe we’re somehow tied up in this position, and so now I need to be able to present or free my right hand. I don’t want to release his weapon, also, from this clinch range.
So here I can do what we call an arm-drag motion, and essentially –it’s done quick– but what I’m doing is, he’s got an edged weapon here, so I’m trying to control that, I’m basicaly doing an arm drag. As soon as I’ve done that, my right hand is still tied up, so I do a quick transition to this position here, I continue moving forward, get my weapon out, and address whichever target is available, being careful not to cover my arm, so we use this C motion here.
So again, it’s just another example of close range– extreme close range knife-fighting tactics for gunfighting. Now as you get further out, another example of what we’d do here is in our Kali footwork, we’re constantly using angles. I’m going this direction, I’m going this direction. moving in different directions, because I’m trying to avoid getting hit, and I want to present my weapon, so if I’ve got a weapon in my hand, I might be moving this direction here, Might be moving this direction and cutting here, so as this applies to a little further distance: If I’ve got someone, an aggressor, that’s coming towards me, and he comes up with a knife, then I’m gonna move off-line using my angular footwork and present distance, get my weapon to bear.
If it’s a little closer, for example– that would be a common knife defense movement. If the knife comes in, tap. Ok. So I may use that opportunity, instead of going one-two-three into some kind of a disarm or whatnot, I’ve got a gun. I want to bring that into the fight. So now I’m going to do one-two-three and I move and present my weapon and bring that into the fight. Now, that same motion can be used to one-to-three and push and then bring the weapon and what we call engage-vs-disengage. So I can engage the subject based on the distance that I have. If it’s an open space, disengage, give ’em distance. If he’s got a gun and not a knife, I can’t give him distance. I can’t outrun his bullets. So I have to engage, control his ability to shoot me, and bring my weapon into the fight. Get all these knife tactics presented to a gunfight environment.
[Cameraman] So knife tactics for gunfighters, this sounds like this can be an ongoing thing, this curriculum seems quite deep.
[Jared] It is. It is. We’re just kind of scratching the surface here. It’s really deep, because you can start from distances just outside of arm’s reach, this is all close-quarters stuff, you know most gunfights happen at extreme close-quarters. we’re starting just outside of two arms’ reach, and then we’re progressively moving into clinch distance. That clinch distance sometimes ends on the ground, ground fighting with the guns and the knives, and then we are kind of progressing from there. Various steps in that process. When he’s just getting his weapon out and I’m able to catch it, how do I disrupt that draw stroke, maybe his weapon is coming to bear and it’s not yet pointed at me, is it an edge weapon, is it a firearm, do I know what kind of weapon it is, so there’s all these different ways that I can approach this topic, I can get into a lot of depth with it.
[Cameraman] Well thank you very much, we’re honored by your presence here, and thank you very much for sharing your hours.
[Jared] Thank you guys very much, stay tuned, look forward to a lot of cool things coming up.
The music… the quick cuts… the zoom, the buzzwords… classic FuNkEr eDiTiNG right there ?.
I’m not saying Todd is not making sense… he might be (I haven’t crunched the numbers yet… you know.. carried all the ones and avoided dividing by zero), I just gotta snicker a bit when people seemingly pay show up to these things and it turns into a college lecture on neuroscience. In my head I’d just be thinking *bruh… when are you going to quit talking so I can start talking shit at the fake assailant I’m matched with, and Mozambique him with the SIRT?* If you’re not Mozambiquing in EVERY scenario with the SIRT are you even training?
You’ve got a gun to your head. Your heart is racing. Everything hinges upon a single moment of action and reaction. Compliance is no guarantee of survival. You have a window, a moment in time, an instance to act…your confidence is shaky, you’ve entered paralysis by analysis a million thoughts go through your head. You’ve lost control.
In this demonstration, Ryan Hoover a Krav Maga instructor candidly explains the reason why there are endless disarming techniques. In short, its to sell more courses. More classes. More DVDs. Its meant to make you feel like a commando ninja without actually improving your chances at survival. This is the great deception in the world of disarming techniques.
Let’s be real. You do not have an eternity to come up with all the what ifs and have an answer to each and every one of them. This is the inherent problem with collecting techniques rather than skill building and focusing on acquiring time tested principles. Enjoy the video and please leave us a comment.
Good Disarm Principles are:
How new Techniques Get You Killed
“How’s it going everybody? GN Here today and I am joined by Ryan Hoover. We just had a seminar here in Markev, and one of the stand-out lessons here that really spoke to me was the idea of having just one or two techniques for a wide variety of situations. So first, can you take us through the basics of disarming? There’s three or four compartmentalized concepts there, which are…”
Ryan: “Yeah, we’re gonna start coming from the front, right-hand gun center mass to the chest kinda, keep it relatively basic. So, the basic principles are, I need to redirect line of fire– I need to get that half an inch that’s the only real dangerous part off of my body. So I’m gonna do that two ways: I’m gonna physically move the gun, and then I’m gonna move me. So redirect. Control, I need to get a second hand on the gun, in this case. In some other positions, it may be the gun arm.”
“What does your hand being in that position do to the firearm?”
Ryan: “Yeah, it does a couple of things. One: it allows me to secure it. Two: in most semi-automatic weapons, if the first round goes off, it’s gonna render it kinda out-of-operation, so he’s gonna have to tap-rack to make it work again. But more importantly for this context, it makes it very difficult for Josh to pull this gun back.”
“Because that’s what he’s gonna do.”
Ryan: “Yeah, for sure. About right now he’s going ‘Aw shit!’ and that’s the moment in time that I need to capitalize on. So I get that second hand on, he’s holding the part of the gun that’s meant to be held. I’m not. So by getting that second hand on, it allows me to have real control. Next part is counter-attack. I need to hit him.”
Ryan: “So, as I’m getting that second hand on, here, I’m looking to counter. I’m fixing to kick straight up the middle. Finally, disarm, least important. I need to shut him down. I may kick him again, I may headbutt him or whatever. Line of fire should continue to move away from me, and come back to me. Here.”
“So that’s redirect, control, counter-attack, and take-away.”
“Let’s apply those four principles, let’s say if he’s got the gun to the back of your head…”
Ryan: “Yep. So it’s here. This is a really crappy place to find myself. So, redirection now, obviously no kinda hand defense, body defense, is gonna make much sense. If I try to redirect with my hands, this is very much in his line of sight. Remember, I’m not trying to beat the trigger pull, I’m trying to beat his reading my movement and then reacting to it. So if I make a big movement in here like this, he’s gonna see that, big time. So I may talk to the guy, I may try to figure out what he wants, because he wants something, he wants a wallet, he wants to move me from one place to another, he wants my truck, whatever. So from here, my redirection is I turn my head in. I get my head out of the line of fire as quickly as possible. I know, just like the other one, he’s gonna wanna pull that gun back, though, so I need to be there. I can’t stay in this place. So now, redirect, control becomes getting two-on-one here. You saw my counter-attack, right? Same knee at the same time, I wanna get outside here, and I look to make the takeaway. I chose to go inside of the elbows that time, I may go outside of the elbows, just based on totality of the circumstance. Maybe I’ve got some third parties next to me or whatever, maybe this is just the way that I looked, so the same thing I just go this way. I move my head, bring that knee in, punch over the top, break, take the gun.”
“Ok, so this is where– this is the part of the seminar– because you did the same concepts. Gun here, gun here, gun to the side, right? And then you said, ‘what if you can’t redirect to the left because you’ve got a loved one there, and you can’t redirect to the right, because there’s someone else there too’, and I thought you were gonna say ‘this is what you do, boom!’ like… but you’re not about having a billion techniques for a billion situations, because…?”
Ryan: “Yeah, it– look, let me borrow both of you guys for a second. If Josh is on one side, Amber’s on the other. So Paulo, you’re the badguy. You put the gun on me. So this is like, one of the most stressful situations I’m ever gonna find myself. If these are people that I love, and people that I care about, and whatever move I make is gonna put them in more danger, that’s gonna be really stressful. So do I now want another technique to have to remember under that kinda stress? No! So if this is what works for me alone, and maybe it’s what works if it’s on Amber and I can do this, then I don’t want another technique just because we’ve introduced a third person to it. So it’s perfectly normal, it’s perfectly natural, you put a gun on me, it’s ‘Ok, Ok bro, I’ll get you whatever you need, just, my wallet’s right here, let me get you my keys–‘ and now we’ve got this same thing. And all I did was change the environment. It’s, it’s– I don’t think anyone’s gonna think ‘oh man, I’ll get you whatever you need…’ now I’ve changed, I don’t have this huge long side anymore, I can redirect off my body, I don’t need a new technique. New techniques are great for selling seminars, selling DVDs, that kinda thing, having big fat curriculums. But I’m trying to make people safer, not sell a bunch of other stuff.”
“Awesome, so I just wanted to share that with you guys. For me, that was a really eye-opening concept in Ryan Hoover’s seminar today. I think he’s absolutely right, you know, I guess it’s fun, it’s kinda cool, it does sell more seminars and more DVDs, the more techniques that you have. But this is something different. Like, you’re changing the context of the situation to– it’s, I’m kinda speechless. So…”
Ryan: “I think we’re changing the way you think about it. Because everybody thinks ‘well we introduce a new problem, let’s come up with a new solution’, no! I don’t need a new solution! I can work within the framework that I already have if I start thinking that way.”
“Right, because if I wanted to shoot you, if my intention was just to shoot you, it would be from this far. It would be bangbangbangbangbang.”
Ryan: “Even if you walked up on me, we’re turned, you walk up, bang. Boom. Once the gun is up, if you want to shoot me, I’m shot. For this moment in time, you want something. And maybe I’ll give you that thing! I don’t know. If you wanna take one of my people with you, well that’s not gonna happen. We’re gonna fight. So context is always gonna dictate my response.”
“I like that. So we’ll end it with that. Context should dictate your response. I’m GN, Thank you guys for watching.”
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Come to a Fred Mastro seminar and take the Funker Tactical Challenge: Block a throat cut attempt and your seminar is free! Some folks took them up on that and well…see for yourself! It’s done with a plastic knife, for safety purpose.
Funker Tactical sponsored Fred Mastro seminar by providing this “Throat Cut Challenge”. The result is pretty fun to watch and can only speculate that Funker Tactical and Mastro got the idea for this challenge from the late “Bruce Lee“.
Bruce Lee in his younger days before making it big in Hollywood. Used to attend the big martial arts tournaments and demonstrated his lighting punch. His punch was unstoppable, he would have top black belts try to block his punch, see the clip below.
From a self defense perspective, Fred Mastro demonstration offers insights. The main idea is to raise your awareness and respect that range and how vulnerable you are when a person is going to sucker punch you, with or without a weapon in hand.
[Fred Mastro] We have a Funker Tactical contest. Will you explain?
[Second person] So, Fred Master, Funker Tactical, right? So there’s a Funker Tactical Challenge: Anyone here who would like to film with Fred to TRY, keyword try, to attempt to block his famous knife cut, the seminar for you is free. IF you can block it.
[Second] But! You have to film it, and we have to make sure that Funker Tactical is a part so we can see it. So, anyone who wants to do that, please let us know.
[Fred] Or, if you don’t want to have your face in Funker Tactical, you can try for fun.
[Second] Or you can try for fun.
[Fred] Just for fun, no problem.
[Second] But if you succeed in blocking it, the seminar’s free.
[Fred] Someone want to try?
[Laughter, crowd noise]
[Second] One person! One person! One brave person, come on!
[Fred] I explain. I struggle with this holding on, it’s plastic. That way, no problem. Ok, you know the angle? We make the right distance, ok? Not here. Right distance. I don’t stop. My angle is this. You know the angle. Ok? When you’re ok, you tell me ‘ok’, then I start to cut here. You can block with this one, with this one, these two hands– like you want.
[Fred] Ok? You tell me ok.
[A few more thumps]
[Volunteer throws his hands up] Ok.
[Fred] Come on, just for fun, just for fun!
[Chanting ‘Christian!’ and applause]
[Fred] Just for fun! Ok. Distance.
[Christian] Like this?
[Paulo] That was good!
[Fred] You’re funny, thank you for this one. Ok, because here, is more easy. Then you can see. Long distance. You tell me ok, and when you tell me ok, I will. Not ok-and cut.
[Fred] After ‘ok’ I wait one second, and then we start.
[Fred] And I’m here. [Thwip]
[Fred] [after a few more strikes] Another two times.
[Two more failed blocks]
[laughter and applause]
[Fred] This is for you, Paulo! [laughter] You wanna do one? Just for fun, just for fun!
[Volunteer 2] Ok.
[Fred speaks, hard to hear]
[Volunteer 2] Ok. ECH! [failed block]
[More failed blocks]
[Fred] Last one.
[Laughter and applause]
[Fred] Last one? Please. Ya it’s for fun.
[Fred] I explain little after. Ok. This one, because this one, very easy. If you cut me at this distance, I am in trouble too. But is this distance, perhaps it is possible to block. Perhaps. Ok. You tell me ok.
[Volunteer 3] Ok.
[V3] Ok [Flinches, audience laughs]
[Fred] No, you tell me just one time ok. When you are OK.
[Fred] Now? Execution. This, execution. This, execution. You feel?
[Fred] For me, I’m sorry, but for me, this is more important. not just to cut to– not just to cut like this. We need power. No power of the cut, Because it’s- I am very quick. But not effective, then go back, gun, boom. And I kill him. I need power. I need the power. Last one, this power. This power. Ok, then you go and- [THUMP]
[V3] I was *not* ready.
[Fred] Thank you.
[Fred] Paulo! You spend money, because this seminar’s free. Not you pays, Paulo pays!