There are numerous stories of GI’s returning from World War II complaining about the inaccuracy of the 1911A1, and since the 1911 can be one of the most accurate combat handguns why not put this myth to the test.
Luckily, great minds think a like Dave Royer and Larry Vicker put together a test to debunk this myth. So they pitted an actual WWII US .45 cal with WWII 45 ACP ammunition against Larry’s custom Colt 1911. Doesn’t sound fair but let’s wait to see the footage of the test.
Though there were some differences with the equipment on the custom Colt 1911 that Larry used, the accuracy of the weapon were similar for both 1911s. We can speculate that the “skill set just wasn’t there for the soldiers that were using it”. So if these soldiers were better trained on the 1911, the negative sentiments would have been different.
Larry: Ok, the next myth that my buddy Dave Royer and I are gonna explore is the myth of 1911 A1 inaccuracy. This is something Dave asked me and Ken Hackathorn many years ago, so Dave, give us your spin on this.
Dave: Well, any history buff knows, reading about World War Two, WWII GIs coming back talked about the inaccuracy of the 45, and that was hard for me to believe, so when I got together with you and Ken, I asked about it, we took out a World War 2 45 and tested that myth.
Larry: We’re gonna recreate that here at Gunsight. Dave and I are gonna get a couple of targets up, we’re gonna back up to twenty yards. Dave’s gnna take the WWII Remington Rand, with a US GI WWII magazine, and WWII 45 ACP ammunition. I’m gonna take my custom Colt that I recently built in the TAC TV 1911 pistolsmith class, beginning of season 2, and we’re both gonna shoot a group here at twenty, and see how they compare between the two of ’em. Goin’ hot.
Alright, Dave, when you’re ready: one magazine’s worth, at your target, center mass.
Larry: Alright Dave, good to go.
Alright, Dave, now I’m gonna try my magazine’s worth, on target 11, center mass.
Dave: Got a real nice group there.
Larry: Alright, dude, let me holster, and we’ll be down, check it out.
Alright, Dave, talk me through your group here, bro, doesn’t look too bad.
Dave: Not too bad. A big difference on this is the stock sights, the rear sight doesn’t have much of a notch in it at all. The front sight’s real thin, trigger’s not bad, stock-grade, but it’s heavy.
Larry: Yeah, it’s a little on the heavy side.
Dave: But more than accurate enough.
Larry: Well as we’ve said in the past, you can take a WW2 1911, put better sights, and lighten up the trigger a little bit better and actually you got a pretty damn good combat handgun.
Dave: Oh absolutely. It was a real treat for me today to come out here and do that. World War Two gun, WWII mag, you surprised me wit hthe ammo, I didn’t know I was gonna have World War Two ammo, but we had the whole setup, so it was a treat for me to shoot this today.
Larry: We talked about the main limitation today, in WWII they were training millions of guys, and they had enough ammunition, enough time essentially, to give guys familiarization training with a handgun. Handgun is most difficult of all small arms to master, so therefore guys came away from it thinking the gun was inaccurate. In reality, the gun was definitely more accurate than it needed to be for the given task, the skillset just wasn’t there for the soldiers that were using it.
Now, over here, we shot my gun. Better sights, better barrel, better fitting, better trigger, and you can see the group is at least half, which is no surprise at all. Twenty yards, he shot eight shots, I shot seven shots because I was using a Wilson-Rogers magazine, but regardless, WWII myth of the 1911 being inaccurate for combat is exactly that– a myth. With proper training, that gun will more than accurately get the job done.
Okay, now the next myth that we’re gonna talk about is that you can’t stop the slide on auto-loading weapons. This is a myth that my buddy Ken Hackathorn taught me many years ago, that if you firmly grasp it you can turn it into a single-shot weapon. From a self-defense point of view, Dave, where is the relevancy to that?
Dave: Well if you’re the person with the weapon, you have one shot to get off. If you’re gonna use the weapon after that, you have to get the weapon away, rack the slide to put another round in.
Larry: Ok, now, if you’re struggling with an assailant, and somebody grabs your slide, you need to be aware of that, because now you have a single-shot weapon.
Dave: Correct. And if you don’t let it go, he can’t fire another round off.
Larry: Exactly. Let me show you what I’m talking about, here. Got my 1911 up, loaded and ready to go. You firmly grasp the slide [shot] and now it turns into a single-shot weapon. See I can’t pull the trigger, I can’t fire again. At this point, I have to cycle the slide and kick out the empty case before I fire the weapon again. So you’ve effectively turned it into a single-shot weapon. Remember: You’re struggling with somebody with a gun, that may come to your advantage, or that may work against you, and you need to be aware of that.
Source: TAC-TV, Vickers Tactical
This is for all AR lovers who can appreciate the functionality of this weapon.
There have been other articles and animations that highlights the function of an M4 Carbine while its being discharged. But this video demonstrated by Larry Vicker and with the help of BCM and Joe Barnsfather for making the cutaway version wizardry a unique, one of a kind, slow motion inside look at the M4 Carbine. Enjoy!
Source: Vickers Tactical Youtube
How often do you get a chance to shoot at a killer robot wielding an AK? Maybe the robot wasn’t a killer, and maybe the AK wasn’t real, but it could have been, and that’s why it’s a good drill.
Larry Vicker of Vicker’s Tactical was at Gunsite to get some lead downrange. Sporting a Bravo Company AR with an 8 point microbe and a red dot sight attach at 100 yard out. His partner Frank used an AI AT308 bolt rifle, at the same distance with his optics at 6x. At longer distances would be set to 8x or 10x. Less than 100 yards you want to see more of target and its surroundings, enabling you to anticipate its movement.
Shooting a moving target is no cake in the park from long distance, but Frank Galli and Walt Wilkinson has some great tips:
On a more serious note ANY chance you have to practice shooting at a moving target you should do it. Remember NO ONE stands still in a gunfight!
My buddy and frequent guest on my shows Walt Wilkinson from GunSite put Frank Galli and I through a moving target drill using one of GunSite’s four robots, with the TAT3D target that’s sold my good friends at Mile High Shooting Accessories mounted on top. Having to shoot at a 3D target moving sideways is always difficult, because of the limited target profile. Great drill.
Larry: Hey Vickers Tactical fans, thanks for coming back. Larry Vickers, Walt Wilkinson, Frank Galley, we’re out here at Gunsight, and Walt’s gonna run me and Frank through a little moving target drill. Walt, take it away, bro.
Walt: Okay, here at Gunsight we shoot moving targets in our pistol classes and our carbine classes, and of course in our long-range rifle classes. We have three ranges equipped with fixed moving targets, and then we have four remote-control robots that we use, which is what we’re going to use today.
Larry: We also got the Mile-High TAT3D target on it. Frank’s gonna go first with the AI AT 308 bolt gun with Schmidt & Bender five by twenty-five. Now Frank, you’ve done this before, why don’t you give some tips or quick pointers for the folks at home?
Frank: Ok, uh, with a moving target –we talked about this off-camera– the time starts from the time you think about pulling the trigger to the time the bullet gets down there. However, I usually go with a rule of thumb of a half-mil per mile an hour. That’ll get me in the ballpark, but it can vary. You might be slightly different, Walt might have a completely different hold. The way you can shoot the moving target is trapping it, you can track it, and you can do a combination where you lead it, track in front of it, ambush ’em that way; the trapping some people call an ambush method. Gunsight uses a pattern method where you work on the pattern.
Walt: Right, our other two– we teach those two– and then in the precision rifle class, we have a track and hold, where we are tracking behind the moving target, and when it stops or slows down, once the crosshairs or the dot get on the target, you touch it off then. The other one would be a pattern timing where an adversary is popping out of a window or behind the edge of a wall, and you pick up that pattern, and you’re waiting, and just as soon as you see the edge come out, you touch the shot off. So those are our four techniques that we use.
Larry: Now you use an S&B Five-twenty-five, what magnification do you anticipate using for this drill?
Frank: Right now because we’re at a hundred yards, I have it set on six power. Generally speaking I’d be back a little bit further, so eight to twelve is my preferred, but I’m opening up my field of view, just because the robot can move a little bit faster and a little bit more erratic.
Larry: Got it. Now, we’re at a hundred yards for this drill, I’m gonna be using my bravo company training carbine with an eight-point micro, and I’m a big fan -especially at specialty distances like this- of a red-dot sight for movers. They are awesome. Get farther out, might not work so well, that’s where magnification may come into play, but you’re a hundred in, you can wear a mover out with a red-dot sight.
Walt: Alright, here we go. Shooter ready!
Frank: Shooter’s up!
Walt: And Ceasefire.
Larry: Alright, Walt.
Walt: Shooter Ready! Standby![Firing]
Larry: Alright. Walt, if you don’t mind, why don’t you run this puppy up here, we’ll check it out.
Walt: Alrighty. Alright. That’s the side we were shooting at, right there.
Larry: Pretty sure these bigger hits, that’s Frank and the 308. The smaller little ones are me and the 556. And then Frank did a number, he had a goal to cut the target in half, and ‘worked like a champ. This is a hit, one of mine, and this is one of Frank’s. They sealed back up, but we’re going off of bullet diameter. This is one of mine. I think that’s one of Frank’s.
Walt: And the nice thing about this, it’s realistic, in that when you’re shooting a target from the side, you’ve only got a small amount of true target, because any edge hits are just gonna deflect off and not really do any damage. So it’s a small target when you’re working it from the side.
Larry: It’s like everything in life, everything kinda balances itself out. If you’re shooting somebody that’s a little wider, he’s gonna be moving slower, he’s gonna be easier to hit. Thin dude like this, he’s gonna be truckin’.
Frank: That’s it.
Larry: Now you held leading edge the whole way, you just tracked it?
Frank: Leading edge, and I tracked ’em, and took it out that way, I just was in the front trying to get that, I did do a head, I came down into the body, and like I said I wanted to get that cardboard to get that effect, and it worked out pretty well.
Larry: I held body the whole time, leading edge, I didn’t even try for the head, that’s one thing about a RedDot, you don’t have any magnification, you know, the way I’ve got it set up, so you need to be looking more center mass.
Walt: Yeah. And as far as technique goes, Frank you adjusted your natural point of aim every single shot.
Frank: Yes sir.
Walt: To set yourself up for success. And that’s exactly how it’s supposed to be done, just like that.
Frank: I move my hips when I do it, I don’t shoulder it. I shift.
Walt: “Shift”, that was great.
Larry: Alright, Frank, Walt, I think you guys would agree: Train on movers any chance you get.
Larry: You know, Actually, I tell my students ‘try to go out of your way to find opportunities to train on moving targets’. Because in the real world, when the bullets start flying, nobody’s gonna be standing still.
Larry: Well we’re gonna wrap it up here, I wanna thank Adam for bringing the target, Frank for his assistance with the bolt gun, Walt for your expertise with the robot, and Hamburger Head for sucking up the bullets. Larry Vickers, wrappin’ it up from Gunsight.
Larry: Hey thanks for watchin’ the vickers Tactical Youtube channel. To subscribe click here, and to watch some of my favorite videos, click here. Have a good one, LAV out.
Source: Vicker’s Tactical Youtube, Gunsite
In the world of competitive shooting, the Russian Saiga 12 shotgun has made a name for itself. Engineered and designed with the AK-47 function in mind, this 12-gauge semi automatic shotgun gets the job done.
Watch Larry Vickers of Vickers Tactical gets a chance to shoot this sweet highly modified Saiga-12 shotgun. This particular one is the shotgun of Andrey Kirisenko, considered one of the fastest shotgun shooters in the world. This shotgun is the master blaster in the 12-gauge shotgun world.
Hey next up here is Andre’s personal three-gun shotgun. He’s a championship extremely fast three-gun shot shooter.
This is one of their production models, it’s a version of the SIAGA 12.
It has a collapsible buttstock as you can see, pistol grip with a palm rest, push-button side-safety, mag release is really set-up for right-handers, for right here to use his thumb and drop the mag right here -a left-hander can do it by coming across-, dual-charging handles left and right side, picatinny rail on top, Freeflow tube, and a very highly effective compensator up front.
Not necessarily the gun you would use for combat use, but it is a highly-effective competition gun. Here we go, goin’ hot.
First introduced in 1975, it is one of the original “wonder nines” featuring a staggered-column magazine, all-steel construction, and a hammer forged barrel. It is widely distributed throughout the world. It is the most common handgun in the Czech Republic. Like most fully automatic firearms, accuracy sort of goes out the window, with the CZ you also need to apply some death grip to hang onto it. But on the Hollywood side, you sure look good shooting it!
Larry Vickers here, and I’ve got a fairly rare machine pistol for you this time. This is the CZ-75 Machine Pistol. My friends at Center Firearms out here in Las Vegas loaned it to me and the crew, to come out here to the range to light it up for you. Let me take you through some of the features.
Notice the longer barrel that is ported. Now the safety also acts as not only a manual safety, but the selector. That’s safe. If I bring it down one, that’s semi. If I come down all the way, that’s full-auto. There’s actually a spring-loaded lever on the safety itself. If you apply downward and forward pressure, it’ll go all the way down to fully-automatic.
One of the unique features of it, you use a spare magazine as somewhat of a foregrip. It has a little spring-loaded detent right here, and the bottom of the baseplate is notched and grooved to accomodate it sliding on the front to use as a vert grip.
There’s no buttstock attachment, so you’ve got to have good technique in order to control this thing. Although these machine pistols might look cool, in actual use in the real world they’re pretty lame, Hence why they never made much of a splash in law enforcement or military use.
We’re gonna load this up, put up some targets, and light it up for your benefit. Stay tuned.
Hey gang, before we go live here, a couple observations. Just like a standard CZ-75, if the hammer’s down in the double-action mode, you can not put it on safe. You can, however, select semi or full-auto. So your very first shot from double-action will go right into automatic or semi if that’s what you want. Now of course, like a standard CZ-75, if you’ve got the hammer cocked, you can put the gun on manual safety.
It doesn’t have the elongated trigger guard, like the Baretta 93-R does, so in order to hold onto that magazine up front, you don’t have the ability to hook that thumb through the trigger guard, which would be a real plus with this gun, especially since there’s no buttstock.
Magazine-wise, in order to detatch the front one, you’ve got to push this lever up and slide it off, at that point you will not have a vert grip of any kind. I’ve done a little test-firing here, my call is this thing’ll burst and it’ll be pretty brutal. I’m gonna try to keep the burst down to two and three shots to the best of my ability, and we’ll see what kind of muzzle-rise we get. Here we go. We are going hot.[Numerous shots]
Fairly rare bird in the United States for a post-sample…machine pistol in this case, CZ-75, fully automatic. Hope you enjoyed it!
Source: Wikipedia, Vicker’s Tactical Youtube
What happens if you wrap a Ruger SR1911 pistol with Rubber Bands? How many rubber bands will it take to cause the 1911 pistol to malfunction? Is one rubber band powerful enough to stop the slide from functioning properly? Will this create an over pressure situation and kaboom the 1911 pistol? This has been suggested by viewers on multiple occasions and seemed like a fun video to do! This is a wacky function test.
Alrght dudes yo this is mattv2099 here I am back in 2016 this is the first video I will create at my new compound, and this year is the year of the clipteen nineteen-eleven brand glock
We are fortunate enough to have a limited-edition vickers tactical ruger SR1911 So this video here is to commemorate Larry vickers and his firearms channel, which was without question the fastest-growing youtube firearms channel in the last year from shotshow to shotshow. Without question. (Even if I can think of three or four channels that grew faster). So we’re gonna take out Larrys vickers tactical 1911 (see that. It’s a limited edition from Ruger). Last year we did the glock rubber band video, which was an outrageous hit because of how dangerous of an operation it was. Everyone thought that I should’ve engaged the safety, that they should take my guns, it was just the most insane operation ever to be conducted, operationally. Smithsonian-level operation. So this year we’re gonna recreate that operation even more dangerous because we’re using a 1911-brand glock.
In order to commemorate this operation, I’m going to present Larry with a custom limited edition Matv2099 postcard and I sent him a letter, here. Youtube operator’s a real operator.
First thing you wanna do any time you gotta operate a firearm is you gotta lube that firearmazine. We’re gonna do that real quick. Looks like we’re put together all properly. Yep looks all good. So we’re gonna use the Vicar’s Tactical Inc favorite gun oil here. Got some of this here Crisco clean. Yep just gonna put this on here. Just liberally wipe that thing down. Crisco clean. All over the outside, that’s all that really matters, we’re tryin’ to make it shiny, look cool. Don’t care how well it operates.
I’m gonna show you a couple of the Vicar’s Tactical features: First is the uh, custom engraving ‘Vicker’s tactical’ and ‘Limited edition’ on both sides. We have mil-spec grips. The magwell has deep machining grooves in it, so if your hands are bound you can saw your way through any rope. That’s a special operator’s trick. So that’s pretty much it. Other than that it’s just a regular SR1911 Ruger. We are fully-loaded, we have mil-spec ammo, mil-spec rubber bands, and a mil-spec knife just in case the operation goes bad.
So what’s the point of this operation?
We’re gonna see how many rubber bands it takes to disable this glock. So put in a comment below to see how many you think it’s gonna take. So what I mean is, we put a rubberband on it or two or three, then we test and see if it still functions properly, like cycles. So we’ve got two rubberbands here. Oh this is dangerous. Note that I am not putting any part of my body in front of the muzzle. That would be crazy-dangeorus.
So, lookit that. We have rubber bands, two of them wrapped twice, around the muzzle of this glock-teen-11. So let’s shoot this badboy and see if it functions, and chambers a new roundazine.
Oh this is so dangerous. Let’s do this. This is a scary gun, kind of a real man’s gun. Oh it didn’t shoot! Oh it’s got one of those stupid safety things there, let’s take that off.[bang]
Oh lookit that, it worked. It chambered a new roundazine. We’re gonna engage our safety. When you engage a safety on your gun, it effectivly means you can stop using your brain. It enders your gun into toy status. (That’s not true, don’t believe that. Always shoot your firearm like it’s crazy dangerous). Ok, let’s put more rubberbandazines on there. Oh this is crazy dangerous, Don’t ever do this. You gotta be a trained Youtube operator to do that. You need at least a hundred videos on Youtube, maybe two hundred before you can do this. Disingage our safety. See how powerful that last bullet was, it knocked the target down.
Woah, see that flinch? That’s how scared I am. Hardcore flinching.
[click] Oh dude it didn’t work.
Oh it didn’t eject! Two rubberbands,failure! vickers Tactical, it never ejected the spent casing! So you know what that means! I’m gonna try one rubberband, you’re kiddin’ me. The glock was able to function with a whole ton of ’em! Ok let’s try one rubberband on the vicar’s tactical glock 1911. The glock-brand-glock was able to withstand at least eleven-eleventeen of ’em.
Ok, one rubberband! Safety off.
[bang] Oop! It chambered the next one!
I cannot begin to remind you how dangerous this is. THe gun could literally explode because the pressures can’t escape properly because of the rubberband. Could cause this gun to totally explode, send shrapnel everywhere.
And we’re back to two rubberbands, maybe that was a total fluke.
[Bang] Ok, it worked that time.
Idunno what happened last time, I think that was just Y’know, when you have a brand-new glock, and you need ‘ta break it in. So you need to at least shoot it once.
Or maybe we need more crisco. That’s our favorite lube-brand lube.
Ok we have three rubberbands. On our Ruger vickers Tactical. Ok we are fully chambered, we are cocked and locked. Maybe if we break ourself it’ll work. “Break yoself fool!”
Ok, I saw it eject the round.
This gun could literally just go off and hit me. Gotta be real careful, don’t even try this at home. This is the most insane operation there ever was. Ok so, if you limpwrist it won’t work. Don’t limpwrist.
[bang] I didn’t hear a spent roundazine come out!
Oh it did work!
It totally worked, ok! There was a new one in. Give it two more rubberbands. We are cocked and locked. I don’t even know what that means, but 1911 people say that. I don’t know what the locked part means. This is the most dangerous part, this is a loaded firearm. I’m puttin’ rubberbands over the muzzle.
Alright dudes, let’s do this. You’re gonna break yoself fool? Consider it broken.
[Bang] I saw it! I saw a spent roundazine. Dropped the clipazine. Put a fresh clip in. Two more rubberbandazines in. This is the most expensive video I’ve ever made, I think I’ve used eleven bullets? And the longest. I usually try to keep my videos at one bullet and two minutes long. Let’s do this.
Break yoself fool! [Bang]
This is like Steve Irwin versus a stingray at this point. I’m lucky to survive.
Ok two more.
Clinical proof that this is the best firearm. Alright dudes, one more round.
[bang] Wow look at all those rubberbands. Let’s try four more.
I think the .45 has all the stopping power. All the stopping power.
This is the most dangerous part. I have that glock knife on standby just in case.
Good thing for that serrated clipwell. Machining marks are really nice.
[Bang] This is like, the most tactical thing in the world. Ok, four more? Or six more. Let’s do six more. Oh my goodness. Kay. I think it’s the mil-spec ammo.
[Bang] Wow, We need to step up our game. No firearm has ever functioned with this many rubberbands on it. It must be the .45 with the stopping power of such a brutal round. Supersonic deadly power. [bang] I saw the spent shellcasing myself.
We have six more.
This is the crazy dangerous part.
I dunno how many rubberbands that is, but it shouldn’t function at this point.
[bang] Still workin’
I don’t get it, I’m gonna run outta ammo trying to disable this glock.
Alright here’s six more rubberbands. I think this is clinical proof that the 1911 does NOT effin’ suck, and is the best glock-brand-glock there ever was. The most tactical firearm ever invented. The most dangerous operation you’ve ever witnessed.
[Bang] I’m not sure that it ejected it. There we go. We finally disabled the vickers Tactical Ruger 1911. Failure to extract due to Rubberband Overload. Too much rubberbandage, too much torque, I dunno how many rubberbands that is, should we count ’em? Yeah I think we should count ’em. This is how many rubberbands we put on ’em, now we’re gonna take ’em apart and count ’em.
Ok I counted thirty-three rubberbands, which is impossible, I always put an even number on. Currently the 1911 is the Rubberband world champion. The glock didn’t even handle half that many before it was disabled. Starting to believe that the 1911 guys are true, this gun truly has stopping power, is the best gun of all time, best concealed-carry gun, it’s the best gun possible. Be sure to subscribe to Larry Vickers, I’ll put a link in the description, put a link in the cards, all that stuff, go check out his channel, he’s got some pretty sweet-ass videos, uh operations the likes of which I couldn’t even imagine. Thanks! MattV Out.
Source: Vickers Tactical Youtube, MattV2099