Medal of Honor Warfighter is a popular first person shooting game that highlights military spec ops in action. Most of the game is on shooting while on the move, though its only a game. Our audience have asked is shooting on the move the same in the game as in real live? Greg Goodrich developer for the MoH game met up with Larry Vicker to get some real insights to what its really like, so that he can incorporate into the game.
Larry had Greg and Dan from the MoH toting a 416 AR with and w/out a suppressor shooting at steel from stationary and moving either laterally or towards the target. Each of the phases progressively has the shooter firing single to multiple shots to auto bursts at various ranges.
Here’s what he found out – the “wobble zone” comes into play for both types of weapons (handgun and assault rifle) while on the move. The idea is to get a control over this wobble zone in order to be accurate and fast.
Greg: So I’ve been making games for nearly two decades now, and a lot of guys in this building are in the same boat. For a lot of us, Medal of Honor has become a very personal experience, and certainly the most rewarding for me in my career. Clearly, our main job is to entertain, and to create a slick first-person shooter that’s entertaining and engaging and driving a narrative in a very cinematic way. But there’s also something else we strive for, and for us, if we can also leave the gamer with a little bit of knowledge, and a little bit of understanding for the types of guys that are out there doing these things on their behalf, so when they lay their controller down and put their head on their pillow at night, you know, just for a brief moment, they may realize that at that very moment, there’s someone overseas, laying everything out on the line. And that’s real sacrifice. And again, if we can educate our audience on that, it’s a pretty cool thing.
Larry: Another thing I wanted to show the developers is, what it was like to shoot on the move in the real world. I know in the game they do a lot of shooting on the move as you can imagine, but in the real world it’s a whole different ball game. That wobble zone we’re talking about with the handgun and even with the rifle, that’s really gonna come into play here, you gotta get a handle on that. You also gotta understand what kinda accurate shots I can make on the move, where does semi-automatic play into it, when does it turn into suppressive fire mode, something like a red dot sight’s gonna make all the difference in the world in being able to put them where they need to be, and I want them to get a real, first-person taste of that on the range.
Ok Greg, one of the things I’m gonna take you through here, is the difference between shooting static and shooting on the move. Because as you know, medal of honor, classc first-person shooter, you do a lot of shooting on the move. A lot easier to do in the video world than it is in the real world. And you’re gonna see not only the difference between shooting static and on the move, but the difference between shooting static and on the move with semi vs. fully automatic. We’ve got here an HK416, freshly-done in brown cerakote, very nice, and we’ll just see how it shakes out.
Greg: Perfect, let’s do it.
Larry: Alright. If you would, load it up. Ok, start ready-low, finger straight, weaon on safe, and then on the beep, you’ll come up to semi in this particular drill.[Beep] [Shooting]
Larry: Now, same thing we just did but with burst.
Greg: Ok, let’s do it.
Larry: Full auto on it. [Beep] [Shooting] Actually, pretty good job. The first two, you had two-on one-off. The second series of targets -the third and fourth- you had three-shot bursts on both.
Greg: Right on.
Larry: Now we’re gonna do exactly the same thing you just did, but with a sidestep. Just think about a badguy down there with an AK shooting at you. You wanna be constant moving. On your right. Standby.[Beep, Shooting]
Larry: Ok. Real good on the first three. The last two, you were off. No doubt because of the bounce. Alright, now, we’re gonna do the classic videogame mode, and go full-auto. We’ll see how it shakes in full-auto.
Greg: Rock ‘n roll.
Larry: Movement and full-auto. It’s an interesting mix.[Beep] [Shooting]
Larry: Ok. First one, because you started static, was good. And then from there, it kinda went downhill. You saw two things working against you: Movement, and the tendency of the gun to rise on full-auto fire. And that combination means, at distance, shooting on the move fully-automatic is really cool in a videogame, in the real world it’s almost no value what-so-ever. Digging that gun?
Greg: Love it. Absolutely love it.
Larry: Four-sixteens a pretty cool gun, kinda near and dear to my heart.
Greg: Yeah, you designed it, correct?
Larry: I was involved in the design. And as we know, it had a fairly significant piece of history here recently.
Greg: Yes, absolutely. Thank you so much.
Larry: Cool you’re very welcome man. I’ve got more shooting to do.
Larry: Comin’ at you.
Larry: Alright, we’ve got another one of my EA Medal of Honor bros here, now we’re gonna take you through the SCAR. Very similar drill to what we did with Greg, but you’re gonna be moving forward after we do static. First thing is, I want you to come up, one on each,
Larry: Then we’re gonna do two on each, then we’re gonna do burst on each. Then we’re gonna do the exact same shot sequence, but moving forward. So you get a little taste of what it’s like shooting on the move going towards a target.
Larry: Alright. Go on up.
Larry: And one on each, standby. [Beep, shooting] Nicely done. Now let’s do two on each, semiauto. [Beep, shooting] Through a couple on the second shots you kinda got this movement going and it was throwing you off. You gotta look down the sights and press through each one. Don’t get into the slap mode or you’ll throw ’em off even static.
Larry: So now, same thing, burst. Go. [Beep, shooting] Ok. Gotta get a technique, gotta get aggressive behind the gun. Now remember, next time you do it, you’re gonna be moving forward.
Larry: So now, when I give you the beep, moving forward, one on each. [Beep]
Dan: I’ve been shooting my whole life, hunting, then I went to the military for a few years, and then there’s a shooting school out here I got involved with about five years back. I’ve been making shooters for about the last ten years, so my hobby is shooting and making videogames is my occupation, so they actually stitch pretty well together, and I’d like to think that a lot of that comes through in the game, you know, that we make. A lot of the guys that are making the games about shooting, and they’re actually doing it, there’s a lot of little subtle things that’ll get in that maybe you don’t even notice you’re putting it into the game, but it’ll make it in there.[Beep, shooting]
Larry: Alright, let it hang, come on back. You’ve shot it now on full-auto, try to get that two-shot burst. Look at that. Aright? You ready? Standby. [Beep, shooting]
Dan here has a totally new appreciation for what it takes to shoot this particular weapon on the move, both semi and fully-automatic.
Dan: Roger that.
Larry: It’s a little bit easier in the game, isn’t it?
Larry: Well it takes a while to master it. If you don’t mind, I’ll demonstrate, doing a little bit semi and full-auto.
Dan: Alright, here you go.
Larry: Alright, I’ll try semi first. [Shooting] Alright, now, we try some auto. [Shooting][Outro]
Sources: Greg Goodrich, Vickers Tactical, Electronic Arts
Anyone that follows Rob Leatham, who is known for his pistol shooting prowess knows about his “the Walk Back Challenge” drill.
Basically the drill starts at the 50 yard take a shot with your pistol, if you hit the full size steel target. Proceed to the 100 yard, you keep repeating this drill until you’ve reached a distance where you miss the target. Normally this is around the 200 to 250 yard range.
In this demonstration Larry Vicker using a Glock 20 which shoots a 10mm, the power is between a .357 and 41 Magnum. This pistol is ideal not only for home and self defense. But, it may be a perfect fit for hunters and back packers as well. Consider having 2 magazines which houses 15 rounds each, thats a total of 30 magnum power at your disposal. With the flatter trajectory of the 10mm rounds theres a good chance you can reach out and touch something if needed.
Check out the footage below and whats the farthest that you’ve shot with a pistol?
Source: Vickers Tactical, TacTV
In the world of military small arms, many would argue that the most significant one in the last century is the Sturmgewehr. Though it is not known as the first assault rifle (Federov Rifle) but, it is the first most practical assault rifle used by the Germans during WWII.
This baby shoots a 7.9mm and can shoot on semi and full automatic. The Sturmgewehr may be one of the best firearm to shoot on fully automatic (in burst), because it has better control of the muzzle compared to the Grease gun. The magazine holds 30 rounds, but advised to use only 25. Has a tendecy to malfunction due to the mag movement (sway front and back) with the round nose diving forward positioned while in the mag. However, for tactical usage it was the perfect weapon for the intermediate engagement ranges (50 – 200 yards).
This is one of Larry Vickers favorite classic weapon to test and fire. See the footage below.
Hey, Larry Vickers here and I’m gonna take you through one of my favorite weapons of all time: The Sturmgewehr. This particular one’s MP 43-marked, and it was made in 1944. It’s an all-matching transferrable Sturmgewehr. Now, technically speaking, the first assault rifle was the Federov, however for all intents and purposes, the assault rifle as we know it, the first practical one fielded, was this bad boy right here, by the germans, in the hundreds of thousands in World War Two.
The Sturmgewehr is chambered in 7.92 kurz. Otherwise known as 7.92×33, or 8mm short. It’s a true Intermediate assault rifle caliber, in-between a 9×19 and a 7.92×57 full-size rifle caliber. In addition, it’s select-fire, capable of safe, semi, and fully-automatic.
I’ve shot this gun quite a bit, I’ve taken it to different classes, matter of fact the most popular video on the Sturmgewehr on the Internet is one that we did way back in the day on Tactical Impact. So I’ve learned a few things about it, I’m gonna take you through it.
First off, in my opinion, you wanna use original magazines in a Sturmgewehr. This is a world-war-two era magazine, this particular one is an MP44-marked, I’ve tried one of the later reproduction magazines, and it hasn’t worked nearly as well. Also, thirty-round mag, but I only load mine to twenty five. The reason being, you get that little nose-dive situation with the follower in the spring combination, and combined with the fact the way the magazine is held in the gun; in an M16-style mag-release, means you get this forward-and-back rocking situation right here. That combined with that nosedive situation I alluded to, and that means above twenty-five rounds the gun can shut down on you. May be the byproduct of the fact that it’s an old magazine and needs fresh springs, but I tend to believe it’s kinda inherent in the design.
Also, you notice how long the magazine is, so when you go prone, you can see why toward the end of the war when the germans were looking at the STG45, they went with a much lower 15-round magazine.
Dust cover right here is the one that the M16 copied; of course the M16 copy flips down verses flips up on the Sturmgewehr. One plus that this gun would have is if the sight radius was much longer, they bring the sight to the rear, make it a peep sight, you do that, and that would change the game on this thing. Also if you had any kind of a rail interface on the top like the FG42 did in WW2, and you have the ability to mount an optic on the top, would make a big difference. They did have an optic rail on some Sturmgewehrs that mounted on the side like a G43, but those are relatively rare.
Now, I’m gonna take you through some features of the design. First off, make sure the gun’s clear. It has an HK-style pushpin right here to rear. Matter of fact, that’s where the HK got it, was the Sturmgewehr. You push it to the side -just kinda set it over here- and now you just wiggle the buttstock off and the spring is in the buttstock. That was one of the weaknesses of the design. The spring is in the buttstock, so if the buttstock got damaged, or whatever the case may be, it’d shut the gun down. As a matter of fact, I’ve seen pictures late in the war of GIs and Soviets who wanted to deactivate Sturmgewehrs by breaking the buttstock, and the gun is out of commission.
Take the spring out, take off the buttstock, notice the trigger-group pivots down. And it’s riveted in place, so a gunsmith would have to take it off, unlike later with HK where they took the exact same concept, but they put a pushpin on it. Now trigger mechanism-wise, it has a real unique feature that really was largely lost after the war. Not many guns incorporated it at all. The safety selector’s on this side, and pivots down to allow you to fire the gun, but you select semi-automatic vs. fully-automatic with a cross-bolt. Actually, from an end-user point of view, pretty slick design. However, it did make for a more complex trigger mechanism, and if you shoot ’em a lot, these things have a tendency to break on you, like our good friends out at Battlefield Vegas found out.
Alright, now, the Trunnion, where the bolt locks into, is in this portion of the receiver right here, and it’s actually pinned in place, and the sheet metal is stamped and rolled around it. It’s entirely different than what the soviets did later with the AK series where the rotating bolt locked into a trunnion up front. In this case this is critical because the tilting bolt locks into the trunnion right here.
Now you’ll notice right here, you have some gas vents on the gas tube; that’s one of the reasons in combination with the fact that the hand guard is made out of metal, one of the reasons why when you shoot a Sturmgewehr, you really need gloves, because in the course of just one magazine, the gun gets very hot. And that’s why you’ll see guys shooting them, or even videos of World War Two soldiers grabbing them by the magazine. Nowhere near as controllable than grabbing the gun around the forend, but this puppy gets really hot on you, fast.
…Pushpin back in… Alright, getting ready to go hot here. Now, the gun’s kind of a mix of left-handed and right-handed friendly. The charging handle and the mag release are right-hander friendly, not really left-hander friendly at all; however, I would argue the trigger mechanism is left-hander friendly. It’s easy for a left-hander to manipulate the fire control, and then the mode selector, the push selector, on this, very easy for a left-hander to manipulate. So, right-hander friendly charging handle, mag release; left-hander friendly safety selector, fire mode selector. Alright, put on my eyes and ears, it’s time to go hot.
Alright, remember you wanna do your push-pull, make sure that magazine’s all the way in, we’re ready to go hot here.[Shooting]
Full auto, baby.[More shooting]
No bullet-hold-open device, of course, time to reload this thing and do a little bit more full-auto for you. Great gun to shoot, real soft shootin’ regardless, especially in this caliber and this weight of a gun, but on full-auto it is a pussycat to shoot. One of the most controllable assault rifles I’ve shot, bar none.[more shooting]
You would have to say, that in the world of military small arms, I would argue the most significant one in the last century is the Sturmgewehr. After WWII, all major nations adopted an assault rifle. Now the US was fairly late to it, many kinda beat us to the punch, but eventually we picked up the M16, which is a classic assault rifle, we’ve been running with it ever since. The Soviets learned a lesson real quick, ‘cuz they faced these on the eastern front, and they adopted the AK47, and they adopted the Kalashnikov ever since. In terms of significant military small arms, it’s hard to think of one that tops the Sturmgewehr. Hope you’ve enjoyed it.[Vickers Tactical Outro]
Source: Wikipedia, Vickers Tactical
There are some great companies that make guns, but this particular one hailing out of Russia, makes miniature guns that actually shoots.
Arsenal Firearms Group creates some really cool scale model miniatures of classic firearms. Everything from a FG43, Suppressed AKM, 1911, Thompson and everything in between. Whats more impressive is that Arsenal Firearms also makes ammo for it as well.
When Larry Vicker visited Russia, he had a chance to check out these awesome miniature guns and test fire these things.
V: I was very impressed with the Arsenal Miniatures before we fired ’em. Really cool guns. One thing I noticed from the catalogue to the current models, they’ve actually refined ’em even more, better attention to detail, better markings, they were really really neat. Now i can see why they’re so popular, I can also see why they’re very expensive, because the fact of the matter is, it’s extremely difficult to make something like this, this is not an easy proposition at all. The suppressed versions are extremely interesting to me to see if actually the suppressor works. On top of that, I’m a big AK guy, and so I’m really looking forward to firing the AK, and particularly on full-auto; And of course, well known to be a 1911 guy, with my gunsmithing and whatnot, TacTV fans know this, so it’ll be interesting to shoot the 1911 and see if it actually works.
Alright, Dmitri and I both agree that since it’s fitting that we have Americans here in Russia, that it would be classic for us to use a 1911 as the first miniature we fire, and here it is. Half scale.
Dmitri: Let’s… let’s get to this.
V: 45ACP, Half-scale. Here we go. And a half-scale target! Ok, here we go.[POP!] [Laughter]
Dmitri: This is crazy.
V: Yeah, this is pretty cool.
V [narration]: To be honest with you, I was stunned when the 1911 worked. And it never missed a beat!
V: I’m ready for a reload, Dmitri.[Dmitri laughs]
Dmitri: Look at the– Look at the group!
V: I would’ve bet money against that, that the 1911 would work that well. Was very impressive. That was very very cool!
V: Next up, Desert Eagle, 44 Magnum. Half-size.[Popping shots, interspersed with Dmitri laughing]
V: Reload time. Ok, next one up is Dmitri’s original, the Thompson. Alright, here we go.[Rattataatat] [Shooting montage]
V: Another thing that impressed me was the fact the full-auto guns worked. And the suppressors worked as advertised. Make no mistake, it is extremely cool when you’re holding a half-scale AK, with a suppressor, on full-auto, and the thing goes bang. That is cool, I gotta admit. One of the most impressive things I’ve ever fired. If I had to pick one favorite of them all, I’m sure you guys probably think it’d be the 1911, it would have to be the AKM. The AKM with the suppressor, under-barrel grenade launcher, the fact it fires select fire, it honestly, it don’t get much cooler ‘n that. In the world of miniatures, that to me is the king.[Vickers Tactical Outro]
Sources: Dimitri Shrazenski, Arsenal Firearms Group, Vickers Tactical
Many gun enthusiasts are familiar with the Browning Hi-Power, but some haven’t heard too much of the Inglis Hi-Power made by the John Inglis company in Toronto, Canada. Unlike its cousin the Browning, the Inglis magazine capacity is 14 versus 13. The overall weapon performs similar to the Browning Hi-power, have a look below.
Some minor things that are different than other Hi-Power pistols:
Source: Wikipedia, Vickers Tactical
There are numerous stories of GI’s returning from World War II complaining about the inaccuracy of the 1911A1, and since the 1911 can be one of the most accurate combat handguns why not put this myth to the test.
Luckily, great minds think a like Dave Royer and Larry Vicker put together a test to debunk this myth. So they pitted an actual WWII US .45 cal with WWII 45 ACP ammunition against Larry’s custom Colt 1911. Doesn’t sound fair but let’s wait to see the footage of the test.
Though there were some differences with the equipment on the custom Colt 1911 that Larry used, the accuracy of the weapon were similar for both 1911s. We can speculate that the “skill set just wasn’t there for the soldiers that were using it”. So if these soldiers were better trained on the 1911, the negative sentiments would have been different.
Larry: Ok, the next myth that my buddy Dave Royer and I are gonna explore is the myth of 1911 A1 inaccuracy. This is something Dave asked me and Ken Hackathorn many years ago, so Dave, give us your spin on this.
Dave: Well, any history buff knows, reading about World War Two, WWII GIs coming back talked about the inaccuracy of the 45, and that was hard for me to believe, so when I got together with you and Ken, I asked about it, we took out a World War 2 45 and tested that myth.
Larry: We’re gonna recreate that here at Gunsight. Dave and I are gonna get a couple of targets up, we’re gonna back up to twenty yards. Dave’s gnna take the WWII Remington Rand, with a US GI WWII magazine, and WWII 45 ACP ammunition. I’m gonna take my custom Colt that I recently built in the TAC TV 1911 pistolsmith class, beginning of season 2, and we’re both gonna shoot a group here at twenty, and see how they compare between the two of ’em. Goin’ hot.
Alright, Dave, when you’re ready: one magazine’s worth, at your target, center mass.
Larry: Alright Dave, good to go.
Alright, Dave, now I’m gonna try my magazine’s worth, on target 11, center mass.
Dave: Got a real nice group there.
Larry: Alright, dude, let me holster, and we’ll be down, check it out.
Alright, Dave, talk me through your group here, bro, doesn’t look too bad.
Dave: Not too bad. A big difference on this is the stock sights, the rear sight doesn’t have much of a notch in it at all. The front sight’s real thin, trigger’s not bad, stock-grade, but it’s heavy.
Larry: Yeah, it’s a little on the heavy side.
Dave: But more than accurate enough.
Larry: Well as we’ve said in the past, you can take a WW2 1911, put better sights, and lighten up the trigger a little bit better and actually you got a pretty damn good combat handgun.
Dave: Oh absolutely. It was a real treat for me today to come out here and do that. World War Two gun, WWII mag, you surprised me wit hthe ammo, I didn’t know I was gonna have World War Two ammo, but we had the whole setup, so it was a treat for me to shoot this today.
Larry: We talked about the main limitation today, in WWII they were training millions of guys, and they had enough ammunition, enough time essentially, to give guys familiarization training with a handgun. Handgun is most difficult of all small arms to master, so therefore guys came away from it thinking the gun was inaccurate. In reality, the gun was definitely more accurate than it needed to be for the given task, the skillset just wasn’t there for the soldiers that were using it.
Now, over here, we shot my gun. Better sights, better barrel, better fitting, better trigger, and you can see the group is at least half, which is no surprise at all. Twenty yards, he shot eight shots, I shot seven shots because I was using a Wilson-Rogers magazine, but regardless, WWII myth of the 1911 being inaccurate for combat is exactly that– a myth. With proper training, that gun will more than accurately get the job done.
Okay, now the next myth that we’re gonna talk about is that you can’t stop the slide on auto-loading weapons. This is a myth that my buddy Ken Hackathorn taught me many years ago, that if you firmly grasp it you can turn it into a single-shot weapon. From a self-defense point of view, Dave, where is the relevancy to that?
Dave: Well if you’re the person with the weapon, you have one shot to get off. If you’re gonna use the weapon after that, you have to get the weapon away, rack the slide to put another round in.
Larry: Ok, now, if you’re struggling with an assailant, and somebody grabs your slide, you need to be aware of that, because now you have a single-shot weapon.
Dave: Correct. And if you don’t let it go, he can’t fire another round off.
Larry: Exactly. Let me show you what I’m talking about, here. Got my 1911 up, loaded and ready to go. You firmly grasp the slide [shot] and now it turns into a single-shot weapon. See I can’t pull the trigger, I can’t fire again. At this point, I have to cycle the slide and kick out the empty case before I fire the weapon again. So you’ve effectively turned it into a single-shot weapon. Remember: You’re struggling with somebody with a gun, that may come to your advantage, or that may work against you, and you need to be aware of that.
Source: TAC-TV, Vickers Tactical
This is for all AR lovers who can appreciate the functionality of this weapon.
There have been other articles and animations that highlights the function of an M4 Carbine while its being discharged. But this video demonstrated by Larry Vicker and with the help of BCM and Joe Barnsfather for making the cutaway version wizardry a unique, one of a kind, slow motion inside look at the M4 Carbine. Enjoy!
Source: Vickers Tactical Youtube
How often do you get a chance to shoot at a killer robot wielding an AK? Maybe the robot wasn’t a killer, and maybe the AK wasn’t real, but it could have been, and that’s why it’s a good drill.
Larry Vicker of Vicker’s Tactical was at Gunsite to get some lead downrange. Sporting a Bravo Company AR with an 8 point microbe and a red dot sight attach at 100 yard out. His partner Frank used an AI AT308 bolt rifle, at the same distance with his optics at 6x. At longer distances would be set to 8x or 10x. Less than 100 yards you want to see more of target and its surroundings, enabling you to anticipate its movement.
Shooting a moving target is no cake in the park from long distance, but Frank Galli and Walt Wilkinson has some great tips:
On a more serious note ANY chance you have to practice shooting at a moving target you should do it. Remember NO ONE stands still in a gunfight!
My buddy and frequent guest on my shows Walt Wilkinson from GunSite put Frank Galli and I through a moving target drill using one of GunSite’s four robots, with the TAT3D target that’s sold my good friends at Mile High Shooting Accessories mounted on top. Having to shoot at a 3D target moving sideways is always difficult, because of the limited target profile. Great drill.
Larry: Hey Vickers Tactical fans, thanks for coming back. Larry Vickers, Walt Wilkinson, Frank Galley, we’re out here at Gunsight, and Walt’s gonna run me and Frank through a little moving target drill. Walt, take it away, bro.
Walt: Okay, here at Gunsight we shoot moving targets in our pistol classes and our carbine classes, and of course in our long-range rifle classes. We have three ranges equipped with fixed moving targets, and then we have four remote-control robots that we use, which is what we’re going to use today.
Larry: We also got the Mile-High TAT3D target on it. Frank’s gonna go first with the AI AT 308 bolt gun with Schmidt & Bender five by twenty-five. Now Frank, you’ve done this before, why don’t you give some tips or quick pointers for the folks at home?
Frank: Ok, uh, with a moving target –we talked about this off-camera– the time starts from the time you think about pulling the trigger to the time the bullet gets down there. However, I usually go with a rule of thumb of a half-mil per mile an hour. That’ll get me in the ballpark, but it can vary. You might be slightly different, Walt might have a completely different hold. The way you can shoot the moving target is trapping it, you can track it, and you can do a combination where you lead it, track in front of it, ambush ’em that way; the trapping some people call an ambush method. Gunsight uses a pattern method where you work on the pattern.
Walt: Right, our other two– we teach those two– and then in the precision rifle class, we have a track and hold, where we are tracking behind the moving target, and when it stops or slows down, once the crosshairs or the dot get on the target, you touch it off then. The other one would be a pattern timing where an adversary is popping out of a window or behind the edge of a wall, and you pick up that pattern, and you’re waiting, and just as soon as you see the edge come out, you touch the shot off. So those are our four techniques that we use.
Larry: Now you use an S&B Five-twenty-five, what magnification do you anticipate using for this drill?
Frank: Right now because we’re at a hundred yards, I have it set on six power. Generally speaking I’d be back a little bit further, so eight to twelve is my preferred, but I’m opening up my field of view, just because the robot can move a little bit faster and a little bit more erratic.
Larry: Got it. Now, we’re at a hundred yards for this drill, I’m gonna be using my bravo company training carbine with an eight-point micro, and I’m a big fan -especially at specialty distances like this- of a red-dot sight for movers. They are awesome. Get farther out, might not work so well, that’s where magnification may come into play, but you’re a hundred in, you can wear a mover out with a red-dot sight.
Walt: Alright, here we go. Shooter ready!
Frank: Shooter’s up!
Walt: And Ceasefire.
Larry: Alright, Walt.
Walt: Shooter Ready! Standby![Firing]
Larry: Alright. Walt, if you don’t mind, why don’t you run this puppy up here, we’ll check it out.
Walt: Alrighty. Alright. That’s the side we were shooting at, right there.
Larry: Pretty sure these bigger hits, that’s Frank and the 308. The smaller little ones are me and the 556. And then Frank did a number, he had a goal to cut the target in half, and ‘worked like a champ. This is a hit, one of mine, and this is one of Frank’s. They sealed back up, but we’re going off of bullet diameter. This is one of mine. I think that’s one of Frank’s.
Walt: And the nice thing about this, it’s realistic, in that when you’re shooting a target from the side, you’ve only got a small amount of true target, because any edge hits are just gonna deflect off and not really do any damage. So it’s a small target when you’re working it from the side.
Larry: It’s like everything in life, everything kinda balances itself out. If you’re shooting somebody that’s a little wider, he’s gonna be moving slower, he’s gonna be easier to hit. Thin dude like this, he’s gonna be truckin’.
Frank: That’s it.
Larry: Now you held leading edge the whole way, you just tracked it?
Frank: Leading edge, and I tracked ’em, and took it out that way, I just was in the front trying to get that, I did do a head, I came down into the body, and like I said I wanted to get that cardboard to get that effect, and it worked out pretty well.
Larry: I held body the whole time, leading edge, I didn’t even try for the head, that’s one thing about a RedDot, you don’t have any magnification, you know, the way I’ve got it set up, so you need to be looking more center mass.
Walt: Yeah. And as far as technique goes, Frank you adjusted your natural point of aim every single shot.
Frank: Yes sir.
Walt: To set yourself up for success. And that’s exactly how it’s supposed to be done, just like that.
Frank: I move my hips when I do it, I don’t shoulder it. I shift.
Walt: “Shift”, that was great.
Larry: Alright, Frank, Walt, I think you guys would agree: Train on movers any chance you get.
Larry: You know, Actually, I tell my students ‘try to go out of your way to find opportunities to train on moving targets’. Because in the real world, when the bullets start flying, nobody’s gonna be standing still.
Larry: Well we’re gonna wrap it up here, I wanna thank Adam for bringing the target, Frank for his assistance with the bolt gun, Walt for your expertise with the robot, and Hamburger Head for sucking up the bullets. Larry Vickers, wrappin’ it up from Gunsight.
Larry: Hey thanks for watchin’ the vickers Tactical Youtube channel. To subscribe click here, and to watch some of my favorite videos, click here. Have a good one, LAV out.
Source: Vicker’s Tactical Youtube, Gunsite
In the world of competitive shooting, the Russian Saiga 12 shotgun has made a name for itself. Engineered and designed with the AK-47 function in mind, this 12-gauge semi automatic shotgun gets the job done.
Watch Larry Vickers of Vickers Tactical gets a chance to shoot this sweet highly modified Saiga-12 shotgun. This particular one is the shotgun of Andrey Kirisenko, considered one of the fastest shotgun shooters in the world. This shotgun is the master blaster in the 12-gauge shotgun world.
Hey next up here is Andre’s personal three-gun shotgun. He’s a championship extremely fast three-gun shot shooter.
This is one of their production models, it’s a version of the SIAGA 12.
It has a collapsible buttstock as you can see, pistol grip with a palm rest, push-button side-safety, mag release is really set-up for right-handers, for right here to use his thumb and drop the mag right here -a left-hander can do it by coming across-, dual-charging handles left and right side, picatinny rail on top, Freeflow tube, and a very highly effective compensator up front.
Not necessarily the gun you would use for combat use, but it is a highly-effective competition gun. Here we go, goin’ hot.
First introduced in 1975, it is one of the original “wonder nines” featuring a staggered-column magazine, all-steel construction, and a hammer forged barrel. It is widely distributed throughout the world. It is the most common handgun in the Czech Republic. Like most fully automatic firearms, accuracy sort of goes out the window, with the CZ you also need to apply some death grip to hang onto it. But on the Hollywood side, you sure look good shooting it!
Larry Vickers here, and I’ve got a fairly rare machine pistol for you this time. This is the CZ-75 Machine Pistol. My friends at Center Firearms out here in Las Vegas loaned it to me and the crew, to come out here to the range to light it up for you. Let me take you through some of the features.
Notice the longer barrel that is ported. Now the safety also acts as not only a manual safety, but the selector. That’s safe. If I bring it down one, that’s semi. If I come down all the way, that’s full-auto. There’s actually a spring-loaded lever on the safety itself. If you apply downward and forward pressure, it’ll go all the way down to fully-automatic.
One of the unique features of it, you use a spare magazine as somewhat of a foregrip. It has a little spring-loaded detent right here, and the bottom of the baseplate is notched and grooved to accomodate it sliding on the front to use as a vert grip.
There’s no buttstock attachment, so you’ve got to have good technique in order to control this thing. Although these machine pistols might look cool, in actual use in the real world they’re pretty lame, Hence why they never made much of a splash in law enforcement or military use.
We’re gonna load this up, put up some targets, and light it up for your benefit. Stay tuned.
Hey gang, before we go live here, a couple observations. Just like a standard CZ-75, if the hammer’s down in the double-action mode, you can not put it on safe. You can, however, select semi or full-auto. So your very first shot from double-action will go right into automatic or semi if that’s what you want. Now of course, like a standard CZ-75, if you’ve got the hammer cocked, you can put the gun on manual safety.
It doesn’t have the elongated trigger guard, like the Baretta 93-R does, so in order to hold onto that magazine up front, you don’t have the ability to hook that thumb through the trigger guard, which would be a real plus with this gun, especially since there’s no buttstock.
Magazine-wise, in order to detatch the front one, you’ve got to push this lever up and slide it off, at that point you will not have a vert grip of any kind. I’ve done a little test-firing here, my call is this thing’ll burst and it’ll be pretty brutal. I’m gonna try to keep the burst down to two and three shots to the best of my ability, and we’ll see what kind of muzzle-rise we get. Here we go. We are going hot.[Numerous shots]
Fairly rare bird in the United States for a post-sample…machine pistol in this case, CZ-75, fully automatic. Hope you enjoyed it!
Source: Wikipedia, Vicker’s Tactical Youtube
Larry Vickers of Vickers Tactical and his buddy Dave Royer were out testing a firearm myths whether dual-wielding versus using sight alignment with a single pistol is better. Seen all the time in the movies Dave and Larry are out to show you what really happens when you fire two pistols at the same time.
They start the test with stationary shooting at multiple targets. (5 targets) Dual shooting (using H&K .45 Compact and a custom Colt 1911) was going from inside targets to outside targets. Single pistol shooting went from left to right. The result for dual shooting was at 2.8 seconds and 3.73 seconds for single pistol. Dual shooting was faster but not as accurate as with single pistol. However, for this test single pistol shooting with good sight alignment wins the accuracy test.
Starts out at a walk towards the target from 30 yards out and at the sound of a buzzer. Shooter engages the target while still moving forward. Dual pistols will be alternate shots between left and right. Single pistol lay down some lead rapidly. The verdict single pistol wins with accuracy and speed on this drill.
Larry: The next movie myth we’re gonna tackle is the Dual Wield Handgun. You’re also seeing this show up in a lot of videogames. Essentially you’ve got a handgun in each hand, and you’re firing at multiple targets, with amazing accuracy on the silver screen. On the surface it looks like it might be a home run, because you can fire a lot more bullets in the same amount of time as one handgun, in theory. What do you think?
Dave: I think I’d go with one gun, because you’re throwing out sight line on it, and that’s the key to accuracy.
Larry: Well, we’ll see how it shakes out. Got two guns here, HK-45 compact 45 ACP, and a custom colt 1911 built by yours truly, 45 ACP. We’re gonna do a variety of drills, dual-wield, then we’re going to do the exact same drills single-handgun. We’l look at the timer and look at the hits, see how it shakes.
Dave: Alright Larry, we’re gonna shoot these targets, you’re gonna shoot simultaneously at two targets, working from the center out, one at each target.
Dave: On the buzzer, shoot ready. Standby [beep] [gunshots]
Dave: Let’s check it out.
Larry: What kinda time we got?
Dave: 2.81 seconds.
Dave: Well this target looks clean.
Larry: Don’t think we have to worry about pace, now remember this was the far-left target, left handed, with the HK-45, this is actually the last target I shot at on the left hand side. Same deal.
Dave: Clean target on the left on the second target.
Larry: This was double-action, the HK-45, the first target I shot. Was this it?
Dave: I believe that’s it.
Larry: Target’s clean.
Dave: Got a center hit on this target.
Larry: Now this was the target I was focusing in on. I was doing the thing that you and I talked about, actually looking at the targets, and kinda trying to do sympathetic movement.
Larry: Ok, we’ve got a shot here. Not a great one, still a hit. And I got a hit here.
Dave: So basically, you were point-shooting to the right, and you hit every one.
Larry: Right. Two very good hits, one mediocre hit, and three misses. 2.8 seconds. Now, same technique: Low ready, finger straight, one on each coming all the way across.
Dave: Alright Larry, so we can compare, we’re gonna have you shoot like you normally would: With one gun, two-handed, from the low ready, at the beep shoot from the farthest left to the right, one on each target.
Dave: Shooter ready. Standby.[Beep, gunshots]
Dave: Time is 3.73, so less than a second, but I’m betting we got better shots.
Larry: Yea let’s check out the test. Bad hit, but still outside the circle. Talking about an OK hit but not great.
Dave: Excellent hit.
Larry: Outstanding. This one’s in our circle.
Dave: Top of the circle.
Larry: So we’ll accept that.
Dave: Absolutely. About the same place.
Larry: Same thing here.
Dave: Inside the circle, ’bout one O’clock.
Larry: ‘Nother hit inside the circle, and another excellent hit. Well I think the verdict is clear on that. Clearly one handgun and point fire, using your sights and index on the target, firing one shot at a time and make that shot a good shot; far superior to any kinda dual-wield in that scenario.
Dave: Absolutely, because as we know, with any kinda real threat, the only way to get rid of it is this.
Larry: Bingo. Got another movie myth coming up, this involves two pistols, and shooting on the move while shooting forward. This one’ll be really cool, I guarentee ‘ya.
Larry: Alright Dave, what’s the drill?
Dave: The drill is, I’m gonna give you the command to walk, and at the sound of the beep, you’re going to alternately shoot at one target.
Larry: Alright, and three shots each, alternating?
Dave: Shooter ready?
Dave: Walk.[Beep, gunfire]
Larry: Hm. The hits are actually pretty decent.
Dave: And that’s what we were talking about. As long as you can acquire the target, point-shooting or the sights. If you’ve got sight-alignment on the target, it’s much easier, or you have much better accuracy.
Larry: Alright. Now I’m gonna try it with one gun.
Larry: Alright dave.
Dave: Alright we’re gonna do the same drill with one gun, command of walk you move toward the target, on the beep you engage with the target six-seven shots.
Dave: Shooter ready. Walk.[Beep, shots]
Larry: Alright. Well. Can’t argue with those hits.
Dave: No, and it’s what I expected on this drill, because this is a common drill in training, shooting on the move. You have perfect sight alignment, you have one target, shouldn’t expect anything else.
Larry: Well I think we can kinda wrap up two guns Vs. one gun.
Larry: I know what I’d pick.
Dave: You bet.
Larry: One gun. Every time.[Vicker’s Tactical Outro]
Source: Vickers Tactical Youtube, TAC-TV Crew, Larry Vickers
What happens if you wrap a Ruger SR1911 pistol with Rubber Bands? How many rubber bands will it take to cause the 1911 pistol to malfunction? Is one rubber band powerful enough to stop the slide from functioning properly? Will this create an over pressure situation and kaboom the 1911 pistol? This has been suggested by viewers on multiple occasions and seemed like a fun video to do! This is a wacky function test.
Alrght dudes yo this is mattv2099 here I am back in 2016 this is the first video I will create at my new compound, and this year is the year of the clipteen nineteen-eleven brand glock
We are fortunate enough to have a limited-edition vickers tactical ruger SR1911 So this video here is to commemorate Larry vickers and his firearms channel, which was without question the fastest-growing youtube firearms channel in the last year from shotshow to shotshow. Without question. (Even if I can think of three or four channels that grew faster). So we’re gonna take out Larrys vickers tactical 1911 (see that. It’s a limited edition from Ruger). Last year we did the glock rubber band video, which was an outrageous hit because of how dangerous of an operation it was. Everyone thought that I should’ve engaged the safety, that they should take my guns, it was just the most insane operation ever to be conducted, operationally. Smithsonian-level operation. So this year we’re gonna recreate that operation even more dangerous because we’re using a 1911-brand glock.
In order to commemorate this operation, I’m going to present Larry with a custom limited edition Matv2099 postcard and I sent him a letter, here. Youtube operator’s a real operator.
First thing you wanna do any time you gotta operate a firearm is you gotta lube that firearmazine. We’re gonna do that real quick. Looks like we’re put together all properly. Yep looks all good. So we’re gonna use the Vicar’s Tactical Inc favorite gun oil here. Got some of this here Crisco clean. Yep just gonna put this on here. Just liberally wipe that thing down. Crisco clean. All over the outside, that’s all that really matters, we’re tryin’ to make it shiny, look cool. Don’t care how well it operates.
I’m gonna show you a couple of the Vicar’s Tactical features: First is the uh, custom engraving ‘Vicker’s tactical’ and ‘Limited edition’ on both sides. We have mil-spec grips. The magwell has deep machining grooves in it, so if your hands are bound you can saw your way through any rope. That’s a special operator’s trick. So that’s pretty much it. Other than that it’s just a regular SR1911 Ruger. We are fully-loaded, we have mil-spec ammo, mil-spec rubber bands, and a mil-spec knife just in case the operation goes bad.
So what’s the point of this operation?
We’re gonna see how many rubber bands it takes to disable this glock. So put in a comment below to see how many you think it’s gonna take. So what I mean is, we put a rubberband on it or two or three, then we test and see if it still functions properly, like cycles. So we’ve got two rubberbands here. Oh this is dangerous. Note that I am not putting any part of my body in front of the muzzle. That would be crazy-dangeorus.
So, lookit that. We have rubber bands, two of them wrapped twice, around the muzzle of this glock-teen-11. So let’s shoot this badboy and see if it functions, and chambers a new roundazine.
Oh this is so dangerous. Let’s do this. This is a scary gun, kind of a real man’s gun. Oh it didn’t shoot! Oh it’s got one of those stupid safety things there, let’s take that off.[bang]
Oh lookit that, it worked. It chambered a new roundazine. We’re gonna engage our safety. When you engage a safety on your gun, it effectivly means you can stop using your brain. It enders your gun into toy status. (That’s not true, don’t believe that. Always shoot your firearm like it’s crazy dangerous). Ok, let’s put more rubberbandazines on there. Oh this is crazy dangerous, Don’t ever do this. You gotta be a trained Youtube operator to do that. You need at least a hundred videos on Youtube, maybe two hundred before you can do this. Disingage our safety. See how powerful that last bullet was, it knocked the target down.
Woah, see that flinch? That’s how scared I am. Hardcore flinching.
[click] Oh dude it didn’t work.
Oh it didn’t eject! Two rubberbands,failure! vickers Tactical, it never ejected the spent casing! So you know what that means! I’m gonna try one rubberband, you’re kiddin’ me. The glock was able to function with a whole ton of ’em! Ok let’s try one rubberband on the vicar’s tactical glock 1911. The glock-brand-glock was able to withstand at least eleven-eleventeen of ’em.
Ok, one rubberband! Safety off.
[bang] Oop! It chambered the next one!
I cannot begin to remind you how dangerous this is. THe gun could literally explode because the pressures can’t escape properly because of the rubberband. Could cause this gun to totally explode, send shrapnel everywhere.
And we’re back to two rubberbands, maybe that was a total fluke.
[Bang] Ok, it worked that time.
Idunno what happened last time, I think that was just Y’know, when you have a brand-new glock, and you need ‘ta break it in. So you need to at least shoot it once.
Or maybe we need more crisco. That’s our favorite lube-brand lube.
Ok we have three rubberbands. On our Ruger vickers Tactical. Ok we are fully chambered, we are cocked and locked. Maybe if we break ourself it’ll work. “Break yoself fool!”
Ok, I saw it eject the round.
This gun could literally just go off and hit me. Gotta be real careful, don’t even try this at home. This is the most insane operation there ever was. Ok so, if you limpwrist it won’t work. Don’t limpwrist.
[bang] I didn’t hear a spent roundazine come out!
Oh it did work!
It totally worked, ok! There was a new one in. Give it two more rubberbands. We are cocked and locked. I don’t even know what that means, but 1911 people say that. I don’t know what the locked part means. This is the most dangerous part, this is a loaded firearm. I’m puttin’ rubberbands over the muzzle.
Alright dudes, let’s do this. You’re gonna break yoself fool? Consider it broken.
[Bang] I saw it! I saw a spent roundazine. Dropped the clipazine. Put a fresh clip in. Two more rubberbandazines in. This is the most expensive video I’ve ever made, I think I’ve used eleven bullets? And the longest. I usually try to keep my videos at one bullet and two minutes long. Let’s do this.
Break yoself fool! [Bang]
This is like Steve Irwin versus a stingray at this point. I’m lucky to survive.
Ok two more.
Clinical proof that this is the best firearm. Alright dudes, one more round.
[bang] Wow look at all those rubberbands. Let’s try four more.
I think the .45 has all the stopping power. All the stopping power.
This is the most dangerous part. I have that glock knife on standby just in case.
Good thing for that serrated clipwell. Machining marks are really nice.
[Bang] This is like, the most tactical thing in the world. Ok, four more? Or six more. Let’s do six more. Oh my goodness. Kay. I think it’s the mil-spec ammo.
[Bang] Wow, We need to step up our game. No firearm has ever functioned with this many rubberbands on it. It must be the .45 with the stopping power of such a brutal round. Supersonic deadly power. [bang] I saw the spent shellcasing myself.
We have six more.
This is the crazy dangerous part.
I dunno how many rubberbands that is, but it shouldn’t function at this point.
[bang] Still workin’
I don’t get it, I’m gonna run outta ammo trying to disable this glock.
Alright here’s six more rubberbands. I think this is clinical proof that the 1911 does NOT effin’ suck, and is the best glock-brand-glock there ever was. The most tactical firearm ever invented. The most dangerous operation you’ve ever witnessed.
[Bang] I’m not sure that it ejected it. There we go. We finally disabled the vickers Tactical Ruger 1911. Failure to extract due to Rubberband Overload. Too much rubberbandage, too much torque, I dunno how many rubberbands that is, should we count ’em? Yeah I think we should count ’em. This is how many rubberbands we put on ’em, now we’re gonna take ’em apart and count ’em.
Ok I counted thirty-three rubberbands, which is impossible, I always put an even number on. Currently the 1911 is the Rubberband world champion. The glock didn’t even handle half that many before it was disabled. Starting to believe that the 1911 guys are true, this gun truly has stopping power, is the best gun of all time, best concealed-carry gun, it’s the best gun possible. Be sure to subscribe to Larry Vickers, I’ll put a link in the description, put a link in the cards, all that stuff, go check out his channel, he’s got some pretty sweet-ass videos, uh operations the likes of which I couldn’t even imagine. Thanks! MattV Out.
Source: Vickers Tactical Youtube, MattV2099