The Swiss Arms SG 553 RP 4K Rifle features the ability to take AK-47 magazines and 7.62x39mm cartridges currently deployed with certain tac units overseas. The adjustable gas system allows the user to run at a level that works best for them.
This one displayed by Larry Vicker of Vickers Tactical is a pistol modified with an SBR.
According to Larry, it took Swiss Arms quite a while in getting the kinks out so that it can take a wide variety of AK magazine. Sounds simple but time consuming process.
Here’s the following AK mag types that it will take:
Considered one of the best non AK platform shooting the 7.62.
Has excellent trigger control obviously a top notch AK.
MSRP at $2650, do you want one?
Here’s an inside look at the Glock 18C which was designed for the Austrian Counter-Terrorist Unit (EAO Cobra). This 18C series means its compensated with features like this:
-Keystone cut at the top of slide near the front with 4 slots angle towards the barrel.
-a pocket back at the top near the rear of the slide to make this gun run fast.
With a cyclic rate of fire that runs as fast as 1,200 rounds-per-minute, the slide of the G18C can sometimes jog so fast that it can outrun the magazine.
Larry Vickers from Vickers Tactical in the above gives a short overview of the compensated Model 18 Glock select-fire 9mm handgun before sending brass downrange in beautiful HD and Slo-mo.
A true machine pistol and not a conversion with a fun switch modification on a more commonly encountered Glock, the 18 features a slide-mounted selector switch and is pretty rarely encountered due to the Hughes Amendment, which tragically relegates it to only LE and military.
Sources: Vickers Tactical Youtube, Chris Eger
Larry Vickers gets a chance to take this ultra-rare Sako M92S Rifle down range, which was based on the Soviet AK and Valmet Rifles.
The semi-automatic only Sako M92S rifle fires the 7.62x39mm cartridge. This model has a folding stock, a grenade launcher adapter and gas cut off switch. With many other add-ons, this rifle with a milled receiver is quite the shooter. The magazine release is very slick.
According to Larry, the shooting feels soft and thinking that the Fin’s did not overload the gas like the AK-47, most AK’s are overloaded with gas.
This sweet-shooting Finnish rifle is given a great workout. Witness what Larry Vickers has to say while shooting this Sako M92S rifle.
Hey Gang, here today I have a very rare semiautomatic version of a finished Army assault rifle. This is a Sako M92S. It is a Civilian Semiautomatic version of the Finnish RK95 select-fire assault rifle, which is essentially the last, and possibly the one that’s gonna close the chapter on the famous Valmet series of Assault Rifles, which in and of themselves were based on the Soviet AK. Now this one’s in 7.62×39, it has one of the black polymer magazines, interestingly enough up here of course you have the lanyard loop ‘cuz remember they get a lot of snow up in Finland. Sidefolding buttstock, which is unusual on the Civilian semiautomatic version the M92S, because generally they had a fixed buttstock that did not side-fold. This particular one has a side-folder, it also has the AK-style selector that goes with the side-folding buttstock. You also have night sights, in addition to your standard aperture, host front. Up front, you have a multi-function flash suppressor which also takes rifle grenades, and you can see, heavily influenced by FN. Upturned charging handle, which of course you see on the Galeel. Now, one thing I’ve seen, I’ve seen some pictures of this particular weapon on the Internet, we don’t have a really good system to mount optics to it. You’ll see some optic-mounting solutions that’re on the left side of the gun that are not ideal.
I’m gonna bust some caps outta this thing here in just a second, and give you my shooting impressions of probably the only one in the United States. Sako M92S. Stay Tuned.
Alright, picking up the M92S right off the bat, you can tell it’s got some weight to it. Partially because it uses a forged and machined lower-receiver, the Valmets are kinda famous for that. They did make some weapons with stamp-sheet metal receivers, but a lot of their guns had forged, machined steel lowers. Now, there’s no reason in this day and age you couldn’t go with a stamp-sheet metal receiver, and then that, though you may compromise somewhat on durability and accuracy, downrange, bottom line is for a soldier it’s lighter weight, and you’re gonna always be carrying a gun more than you’re shooting it.
Alright, time to load it up and go hot. Alright here we go.[Firing]
Ok, right off the bat, pretty soft shooting. Not only in the weight, but my hunch is, the Finns didn’t over-gas it like a lot of 7.62×39 AKs are over-gassed. In addition, I’m shooting good old Finnish Lapua ammunition, in 7.62×39, this stuff is fantastic, it has an excellent reputation for quality, and also for being very very accurate. On the magazine release I’ve noticed right-handed shooters, you have this extended tab right here, so you can extend your trigger finger down as a right-hander, hit it, take the mag out. You can also come up with your thumb if need be, alright, take the mag out as well. Pretty slick.[Firing]
Now one of the things the Finns have really endeavored to do here, is try to cinch down the top cover. This has always been the issue with the AK, in terms of sights or optics that are mounted on the top cover, you always have the devil in the details of trying to cinch this thing down tight. If you notice, they have a little cam lever over here, to really cinch it and lock it down. Now, they don’t really mount optics to this top cover, but they’re concerned about it from an Iron Sight point of view. Let me bust a few more.[Firing]
Cool. Now, night sights are standard on this, you flip the rear sight in that in-between position, and then you have a rear pistol notch here that has a night sight, and then up front you flip up your night sight. Now you have the ability to run this gun at night with standard-issue night sights. Not a bad idea. I’m more of a fan, frankly, of the front-sight only as a night-sight. What I’ve found is, night-sights on service rifles that are closer to your eye on the rear sight have a tendency to blind you, and it completely washed everything out. I’d almost rather run a front-night-sight only, and just look over the rear sight, verses having the Tridium in the rear.[Firing]
Pretty slick, gun is really heating up right now, I’m gonna try the gas cutoff valve up here, it should be single-shot now. See how it goes.[Firing]
Ok, yeah. Alright. So, although you can shoot this thing single-shot live rounds,
it’s obviously meant to launch rifle-grenades, I don’t know that I would recommend it.
Alright. Now, stock folds to the side, you pinch it just like that, collapse to the side. All you gotta do is that. Now it doesn’t have a bolt hold-open device, got two more rounds left, so just like a standard AK, you’re gonna get that click.[Two more shots, Click]
Click. That’s your clue that it’s time to reload the weapon. Hope you enjoyed it, SAKO M92S. Moonrock, here in the United States.[Firing] [Outro]
Sources: Eric Nestor, Vickers Tactical
Considered one of the most popular counterbalance assault rifle ever developed, is also one of the most well sought after. So basically it means for those that want to shoot a fully automatic rifle with control recoil and accuracy, this is it.
Here’s another explanation of the recoil operation when compared to an AK-74 from Reddit Guns:
when the bolt moves back on a normal AK-74 (im using this because it uses the same round unlike the AK-47). the backwards movement actually absorbs some of the recoil and delays when the shooter feels it. newtons’s 2nd law. in order for the BCG to travel back the gun must feel a forward force, which reduces recoil. then when the spring pushes the BCG forward the gun feels a backward motion.
the upside of this is instead of all of the recoil hitting you in .02s (made up number) it hits you over .03s (made up number). so the impulse is the same, but the average force is lower. the downside of this is that it creates a push pull cycle that creates a cyclic movement of the muzzle. so instead of just applying one constant force to keep the muzzle still, the shooter needs to apply a constantly varying force to compensate for the change in the recoil’s force and the change in the gun’s overall center of gravity.
the AK-107 recoil system with the forward moving bolt basically does the opposite. higher force but very consistent. so it will kick a little harder. But the kick is consistent so you only need to apply 1 force constant force making it easier to keep on target (hence the increase in tested accuracy). Think about aiming something heavy, vs aiming something that vibrates.
Sources: Reddit, Vickers Tactical
Medal of Honor Warfighter is a popular first person shooting game that highlights military spec ops in action. Most of the game is on shooting while on the move, though its only a game. Our audience have asked is shooting on the move the same in the game as in real live? Greg Goodrich developer for the MoH game met up with Larry Vicker to get some real insights to what its really like, so that he can incorporate into the game.
Larry had Greg and Dan from the MoH toting a 416 AR with and w/out a suppressor shooting at steel from stationary and moving either laterally or towards the target. Each of the phases progressively has the shooter firing single to multiple shots to auto bursts at various ranges.
Here’s what he found out – the “wobble zone” comes into play for both types of weapons (handgun and assault rifle) while on the move. The idea is to get a control over this wobble zone in order to be accurate and fast.
Greg: So I’ve been making games for nearly two decades now, and a lot of guys in this building are in the same boat. For a lot of us, Medal of Honor has become a very personal experience, and certainly the most rewarding for me in my career. Clearly, our main job is to entertain, and to create a slick first-person shooter that’s entertaining and engaging and driving a narrative in a very cinematic way. But there’s also something else we strive for, and for us, if we can also leave the gamer with a little bit of knowledge, and a little bit of understanding for the types of guys that are out there doing these things on their behalf, so when they lay their controller down and put their head on their pillow at night, you know, just for a brief moment, they may realize that at that very moment, there’s someone overseas, laying everything out on the line. And that’s real sacrifice. And again, if we can educate our audience on that, it’s a pretty cool thing.
Larry: Another thing I wanted to show the developers is, what it was like to shoot on the move in the real world. I know in the game they do a lot of shooting on the move as you can imagine, but in the real world it’s a whole different ball game. That wobble zone we’re talking about with the handgun and even with the rifle, that’s really gonna come into play here, you gotta get a handle on that. You also gotta understand what kinda accurate shots I can make on the move, where does semi-automatic play into it, when does it turn into suppressive fire mode, something like a red dot sight’s gonna make all the difference in the world in being able to put them where they need to be, and I want them to get a real, first-person taste of that on the range.
Ok Greg, one of the things I’m gonna take you through here, is the difference between shooting static and shooting on the move. Because as you know, medal of honor, classc first-person shooter, you do a lot of shooting on the move. A lot easier to do in the video world than it is in the real world. And you’re gonna see not only the difference between shooting static and on the move, but the difference between shooting static and on the move with semi vs. fully automatic. We’ve got here an HK416, freshly-done in brown cerakote, very nice, and we’ll just see how it shakes out.
Greg: Perfect, let’s do it.
Larry: Alright. If you would, load it up. Ok, start ready-low, finger straight, weaon on safe, and then on the beep, you’ll come up to semi in this particular drill.[Beep] [Shooting]
Larry: Now, same thing we just did but with burst.
Greg: Ok, let’s do it.
Larry: Full auto on it. [Beep] [Shooting] Actually, pretty good job. The first two, you had two-on one-off. The second series of targets -the third and fourth- you had three-shot bursts on both.
Greg: Right on.
Larry: Now we’re gonna do exactly the same thing you just did, but with a sidestep. Just think about a badguy down there with an AK shooting at you. You wanna be constant moving. On your right. Standby.[Beep, Shooting]
Larry: Ok. Real good on the first three. The last two, you were off. No doubt because of the bounce. Alright, now, we’re gonna do the classic videogame mode, and go full-auto. We’ll see how it shakes in full-auto.
Greg: Rock ‘n roll.
Larry: Movement and full-auto. It’s an interesting mix.[Beep] [Shooting]
Larry: Ok. First one, because you started static, was good. And then from there, it kinda went downhill. You saw two things working against you: Movement, and the tendency of the gun to rise on full-auto fire. And that combination means, at distance, shooting on the move fully-automatic is really cool in a videogame, in the real world it’s almost no value what-so-ever. Digging that gun?
Greg: Love it. Absolutely love it.
Larry: Four-sixteens a pretty cool gun, kinda near and dear to my heart.
Greg: Yeah, you designed it, correct?
Larry: I was involved in the design. And as we know, it had a fairly significant piece of history here recently.
Greg: Yes, absolutely. Thank you so much.
Larry: Cool you’re very welcome man. I’ve got more shooting to do.
Larry: Comin’ at you.
Larry: Alright, we’ve got another one of my EA Medal of Honor bros here, now we’re gonna take you through the SCAR. Very similar drill to what we did with Greg, but you’re gonna be moving forward after we do static. First thing is, I want you to come up, one on each,
Larry: Then we’re gonna do two on each, then we’re gonna do burst on each. Then we’re gonna do the exact same shot sequence, but moving forward. So you get a little taste of what it’s like shooting on the move going towards a target.
Larry: Alright. Go on up.
Larry: And one on each, standby. [Beep, shooting] Nicely done. Now let’s do two on each, semiauto. [Beep, shooting] Through a couple on the second shots you kinda got this movement going and it was throwing you off. You gotta look down the sights and press through each one. Don’t get into the slap mode or you’ll throw ’em off even static.
Larry: So now, same thing, burst. Go. [Beep, shooting] Ok. Gotta get a technique, gotta get aggressive behind the gun. Now remember, next time you do it, you’re gonna be moving forward.
Larry: So now, when I give you the beep, moving forward, one on each. [Beep]
Dan: I’ve been shooting my whole life, hunting, then I went to the military for a few years, and then there’s a shooting school out here I got involved with about five years back. I’ve been making shooters for about the last ten years, so my hobby is shooting and making videogames is my occupation, so they actually stitch pretty well together, and I’d like to think that a lot of that comes through in the game, you know, that we make. A lot of the guys that are making the games about shooting, and they’re actually doing it, there’s a lot of little subtle things that’ll get in that maybe you don’t even notice you’re putting it into the game, but it’ll make it in there.[Beep, shooting]
Larry: Alright, let it hang, come on back. You’ve shot it now on full-auto, try to get that two-shot burst. Look at that. Aright? You ready? Standby. [Beep, shooting]
Dan here has a totally new appreciation for what it takes to shoot this particular weapon on the move, both semi and fully-automatic.
Dan: Roger that.
Larry: It’s a little bit easier in the game, isn’t it?
Larry: Well it takes a while to master it. If you don’t mind, I’ll demonstrate, doing a little bit semi and full-auto.
Dan: Alright, here you go.
Larry: Alright, I’ll try semi first. [Shooting] Alright, now, we try some auto. [Shooting][Outro]
Sources: Greg Goodrich, Vickers Tactical, Electronic Arts
Anyone that follows Rob Leatham, who is known for his pistol shooting prowess knows about his “the Walk Back Challenge” drill.
Basically the drill starts at the 50 yard take a shot with your pistol, if you hit the full size steel target. Proceed to the 100 yard, you keep repeating this drill until you’ve reached a distance where you miss the target. Normally this is around the 200 to 250 yard range.
In this demonstration Larry Vicker using a Glock 20 which shoots a 10mm, the power is between a .357 and 41 Magnum. This pistol is ideal not only for home and self defense. But, it may be a perfect fit for hunters and back packers as well. Consider having 2 magazines which houses 15 rounds each, thats a total of 30 magnum power at your disposal. With the flatter trajectory of the 10mm rounds theres a good chance you can reach out and touch something if needed.
Check out the footage below and whats the farthest that you’ve shot with a pistol?
Source: Vickers Tactical, TacTV
In the world of military small arms, many would argue that the most significant one in the last century is the Sturmgewehr. Though it is not known as the first assault rifle (Federov Rifle) but, it is the first most practical assault rifle used by the Germans during WWII.
This baby shoots a 7.9mm and can shoot on semi and full automatic. The Sturmgewehr may be one of the best firearm to shoot on fully automatic (in burst), because it has better control of the muzzle compared to the Grease gun. The magazine holds 30 rounds, but advised to use only 25. Has a tendecy to malfunction due to the mag movement (sway front and back) with the round nose diving forward positioned while in the mag. However, for tactical usage it was the perfect weapon for the intermediate engagement ranges (50 – 200 yards).
This is one of Larry Vickers favorite classic weapon to test and fire. See the footage below.
Hey, Larry Vickers here and I’m gonna take you through one of my favorite weapons of all time: The Sturmgewehr. This particular one’s MP 43-marked, and it was made in 1944. It’s an all-matching transferrable Sturmgewehr. Now, technically speaking, the first assault rifle was the Federov, however for all intents and purposes, the assault rifle as we know it, the first practical one fielded, was this bad boy right here, by the germans, in the hundreds of thousands in World War Two.
The Sturmgewehr is chambered in 7.92 kurz. Otherwise known as 7.92×33, or 8mm short. It’s a true Intermediate assault rifle caliber, in-between a 9×19 and a 7.92×57 full-size rifle caliber. In addition, it’s select-fire, capable of safe, semi, and fully-automatic.
I’ve shot this gun quite a bit, I’ve taken it to different classes, matter of fact the most popular video on the Sturmgewehr on the Internet is one that we did way back in the day on Tactical Impact. So I’ve learned a few things about it, I’m gonna take you through it.
First off, in my opinion, you wanna use original magazines in a Sturmgewehr. This is a world-war-two era magazine, this particular one is an MP44-marked, I’ve tried one of the later reproduction magazines, and it hasn’t worked nearly as well. Also, thirty-round mag, but I only load mine to twenty five. The reason being, you get that little nose-dive situation with the follower in the spring combination, and combined with the fact the way the magazine is held in the gun; in an M16-style mag-release, means you get this forward-and-back rocking situation right here. That combined with that nosedive situation I alluded to, and that means above twenty-five rounds the gun can shut down on you. May be the byproduct of the fact that it’s an old magazine and needs fresh springs, but I tend to believe it’s kinda inherent in the design.
Also, you notice how long the magazine is, so when you go prone, you can see why toward the end of the war when the germans were looking at the STG45, they went with a much lower 15-round magazine.
Dust cover right here is the one that the M16 copied; of course the M16 copy flips down verses flips up on the Sturmgewehr. One plus that this gun would have is if the sight radius was much longer, they bring the sight to the rear, make it a peep sight, you do that, and that would change the game on this thing. Also if you had any kind of a rail interface on the top like the FG42 did in WW2, and you have the ability to mount an optic on the top, would make a big difference. They did have an optic rail on some Sturmgewehrs that mounted on the side like a G43, but those are relatively rare.
Now, I’m gonna take you through some features of the design. First off, make sure the gun’s clear. It has an HK-style pushpin right here to rear. Matter of fact, that’s where the HK got it, was the Sturmgewehr. You push it to the side -just kinda set it over here- and now you just wiggle the buttstock off and the spring is in the buttstock. That was one of the weaknesses of the design. The spring is in the buttstock, so if the buttstock got damaged, or whatever the case may be, it’d shut the gun down. As a matter of fact, I’ve seen pictures late in the war of GIs and Soviets who wanted to deactivate Sturmgewehrs by breaking the buttstock, and the gun is out of commission.
Take the spring out, take off the buttstock, notice the trigger-group pivots down. And it’s riveted in place, so a gunsmith would have to take it off, unlike later with HK where they took the exact same concept, but they put a pushpin on it. Now trigger mechanism-wise, it has a real unique feature that really was largely lost after the war. Not many guns incorporated it at all. The safety selector’s on this side, and pivots down to allow you to fire the gun, but you select semi-automatic vs. fully-automatic with a cross-bolt. Actually, from an end-user point of view, pretty slick design. However, it did make for a more complex trigger mechanism, and if you shoot ’em a lot, these things have a tendency to break on you, like our good friends out at Battlefield Vegas found out.
Alright, now, the Trunnion, where the bolt locks into, is in this portion of the receiver right here, and it’s actually pinned in place, and the sheet metal is stamped and rolled around it. It’s entirely different than what the soviets did later with the AK series where the rotating bolt locked into a trunnion up front. In this case this is critical because the tilting bolt locks into the trunnion right here.
Now you’ll notice right here, you have some gas vents on the gas tube; that’s one of the reasons in combination with the fact that the hand guard is made out of metal, one of the reasons why when you shoot a Sturmgewehr, you really need gloves, because in the course of just one magazine, the gun gets very hot. And that’s why you’ll see guys shooting them, or even videos of World War Two soldiers grabbing them by the magazine. Nowhere near as controllable than grabbing the gun around the forend, but this puppy gets really hot on you, fast.
…Pushpin back in… Alright, getting ready to go hot here. Now, the gun’s kind of a mix of left-handed and right-handed friendly. The charging handle and the mag release are right-hander friendly, not really left-hander friendly at all; however, I would argue the trigger mechanism is left-hander friendly. It’s easy for a left-hander to manipulate the fire control, and then the mode selector, the push selector, on this, very easy for a left-hander to manipulate. So, right-hander friendly charging handle, mag release; left-hander friendly safety selector, fire mode selector. Alright, put on my eyes and ears, it’s time to go hot.
Alright, remember you wanna do your push-pull, make sure that magazine’s all the way in, we’re ready to go hot here.[Shooting]
Full auto, baby.[More shooting]
No bullet-hold-open device, of course, time to reload this thing and do a little bit more full-auto for you. Great gun to shoot, real soft shootin’ regardless, especially in this caliber and this weight of a gun, but on full-auto it is a pussycat to shoot. One of the most controllable assault rifles I’ve shot, bar none.[more shooting]
You would have to say, that in the world of military small arms, I would argue the most significant one in the last century is the Sturmgewehr. After WWII, all major nations adopted an assault rifle. Now the US was fairly late to it, many kinda beat us to the punch, but eventually we picked up the M16, which is a classic assault rifle, we’ve been running with it ever since. The Soviets learned a lesson real quick, ‘cuz they faced these on the eastern front, and they adopted the AK47, and they adopted the Kalashnikov ever since. In terms of significant military small arms, it’s hard to think of one that tops the Sturmgewehr. Hope you’ve enjoyed it.[Vickers Tactical Outro]
Source: Wikipedia, Vickers Tactical
There are some great companies that make guns, but this particular one hailing out of Russia, makes miniature guns that actually shoots.
Arsenal Firearms Group creates some really cool scale model miniatures of classic firearms. Everything from a FG43, Suppressed AKM, 1911, Thompson and everything in between. Whats more impressive is that Arsenal Firearms also makes ammo for it as well.
When Larry Vicker visited Russia, he had a chance to check out these awesome miniature guns and test fire these things.
V: I was very impressed with the Arsenal Miniatures before we fired ’em. Really cool guns. One thing I noticed from the catalogue to the current models, they’ve actually refined ’em even more, better attention to detail, better markings, they were really really neat. Now i can see why they’re so popular, I can also see why they’re very expensive, because the fact of the matter is, it’s extremely difficult to make something like this, this is not an easy proposition at all. The suppressed versions are extremely interesting to me to see if actually the suppressor works. On top of that, I’m a big AK guy, and so I’m really looking forward to firing the AK, and particularly on full-auto; And of course, well known to be a 1911 guy, with my gunsmithing and whatnot, TacTV fans know this, so it’ll be interesting to shoot the 1911 and see if it actually works.
Alright, Dmitri and I both agree that since it’s fitting that we have Americans here in Russia, that it would be classic for us to use a 1911 as the first miniature we fire, and here it is. Half scale.
Dmitri: Let’s… let’s get to this.
V: 45ACP, Half-scale. Here we go. And a half-scale target! Ok, here we go.[POP!] [Laughter]
Dmitri: This is crazy.
V: Yeah, this is pretty cool.
V [narration]: To be honest with you, I was stunned when the 1911 worked. And it never missed a beat!
V: I’m ready for a reload, Dmitri.[Dmitri laughs]
Dmitri: Look at the– Look at the group!
V: I would’ve bet money against that, that the 1911 would work that well. Was very impressive. That was very very cool!
V: Next up, Desert Eagle, 44 Magnum. Half-size.[Popping shots, interspersed with Dmitri laughing]
V: Reload time. Ok, next one up is Dmitri’s original, the Thompson. Alright, here we go.[Rattataatat] [Shooting montage]
V: Another thing that impressed me was the fact the full-auto guns worked. And the suppressors worked as advertised. Make no mistake, it is extremely cool when you’re holding a half-scale AK, with a suppressor, on full-auto, and the thing goes bang. That is cool, I gotta admit. One of the most impressive things I’ve ever fired. If I had to pick one favorite of them all, I’m sure you guys probably think it’d be the 1911, it would have to be the AKM. The AKM with the suppressor, under-barrel grenade launcher, the fact it fires select fire, it honestly, it don’t get much cooler ‘n that. In the world of miniatures, that to me is the king.[Vickers Tactical Outro]
Sources: Dimitri Shrazenski, Arsenal Firearms Group, Vickers Tactical
Many gun enthusiasts are familiar with the Browning Hi-Power, but some haven’t heard too much of the Inglis Hi-Power made by the John Inglis company in Toronto, Canada. Unlike its cousin the Browning, the Inglis magazine capacity is 14 versus 13. The overall weapon performs similar to the Browning Hi-power, have a look below.
Some minor things that are different than other Hi-Power pistols:
Source: Wikipedia, Vickers Tactical
There are numerous stories of GI’s returning from World War II complaining about the inaccuracy of the 1911A1, and since the 1911 can be one of the most accurate combat handguns why not put this myth to the test.
Luckily, great minds think a like Dave Royer and Larry Vicker put together a test to debunk this myth. So they pitted an actual WWII US .45 cal with WWII 45 ACP ammunition against Larry’s custom Colt 1911. Doesn’t sound fair but let’s wait to see the footage of the test.
Though there were some differences with the equipment on the custom Colt 1911 that Larry used, the accuracy of the weapon were similar for both 1911s. We can speculate that the “skill set just wasn’t there for the soldiers that were using it”. So if these soldiers were better trained on the 1911, the negative sentiments would have been different.
Larry: Ok, the next myth that my buddy Dave Royer and I are gonna explore is the myth of 1911 A1 inaccuracy. This is something Dave asked me and Ken Hackathorn many years ago, so Dave, give us your spin on this.
Dave: Well, any history buff knows, reading about World War Two, WWII GIs coming back talked about the inaccuracy of the 45, and that was hard for me to believe, so when I got together with you and Ken, I asked about it, we took out a World War 2 45 and tested that myth.
Larry: We’re gonna recreate that here at Gunsight. Dave and I are gonna get a couple of targets up, we’re gonna back up to twenty yards. Dave’s gnna take the WWII Remington Rand, with a US GI WWII magazine, and WWII 45 ACP ammunition. I’m gonna take my custom Colt that I recently built in the TAC TV 1911 pistolsmith class, beginning of season 2, and we’re both gonna shoot a group here at twenty, and see how they compare between the two of ’em. Goin’ hot.
Alright, Dave, when you’re ready: one magazine’s worth, at your target, center mass.
Larry: Alright Dave, good to go.
Alright, Dave, now I’m gonna try my magazine’s worth, on target 11, center mass.
Dave: Got a real nice group there.
Larry: Alright, dude, let me holster, and we’ll be down, check it out.
Alright, Dave, talk me through your group here, bro, doesn’t look too bad.
Dave: Not too bad. A big difference on this is the stock sights, the rear sight doesn’t have much of a notch in it at all. The front sight’s real thin, trigger’s not bad, stock-grade, but it’s heavy.
Larry: Yeah, it’s a little on the heavy side.
Dave: But more than accurate enough.
Larry: Well as we’ve said in the past, you can take a WW2 1911, put better sights, and lighten up the trigger a little bit better and actually you got a pretty damn good combat handgun.
Dave: Oh absolutely. It was a real treat for me today to come out here and do that. World War Two gun, WWII mag, you surprised me wit hthe ammo, I didn’t know I was gonna have World War Two ammo, but we had the whole setup, so it was a treat for me to shoot this today.
Larry: We talked about the main limitation today, in WWII they were training millions of guys, and they had enough ammunition, enough time essentially, to give guys familiarization training with a handgun. Handgun is most difficult of all small arms to master, so therefore guys came away from it thinking the gun was inaccurate. In reality, the gun was definitely more accurate than it needed to be for the given task, the skillset just wasn’t there for the soldiers that were using it.
Now, over here, we shot my gun. Better sights, better barrel, better fitting, better trigger, and you can see the group is at least half, which is no surprise at all. Twenty yards, he shot eight shots, I shot seven shots because I was using a Wilson-Rogers magazine, but regardless, WWII myth of the 1911 being inaccurate for combat is exactly that– a myth. With proper training, that gun will more than accurately get the job done.
Okay, now the next myth that we’re gonna talk about is that you can’t stop the slide on auto-loading weapons. This is a myth that my buddy Ken Hackathorn taught me many years ago, that if you firmly grasp it you can turn it into a single-shot weapon. From a self-defense point of view, Dave, where is the relevancy to that?
Dave: Well if you’re the person with the weapon, you have one shot to get off. If you’re gonna use the weapon after that, you have to get the weapon away, rack the slide to put another round in.
Larry: Ok, now, if you’re struggling with an assailant, and somebody grabs your slide, you need to be aware of that, because now you have a single-shot weapon.
Dave: Correct. And if you don’t let it go, he can’t fire another round off.
Larry: Exactly. Let me show you what I’m talking about, here. Got my 1911 up, loaded and ready to go. You firmly grasp the slide [shot] and now it turns into a single-shot weapon. See I can’t pull the trigger, I can’t fire again. At this point, I have to cycle the slide and kick out the empty case before I fire the weapon again. So you’ve effectively turned it into a single-shot weapon. Remember: You’re struggling with somebody with a gun, that may come to your advantage, or that may work against you, and you need to be aware of that.
Source: TAC-TV, Vickers Tactical