In the world of gun debates of what is reliable or A versus B.
The same goes for those in the 1911 world.
Are Sig 1911 less reliable than the iconic Colt 1911?
The guys from Youtuber Forest Firearms ran this test pitting a new version of Sig 1911 against an older Colt 1911. this test by running it through their version of a course of fire.
They shot at a couple of different targets from various position with reloads while under a timer.
Have a look here.
Though not a valid testing for comparisons, it looks like the Sig had the better results.
But between the two shooters, the one with the Sig may have been the better shooter in terms of accuracy.
Elsewhere out in the wild gun Forums, here’s what they had to say:
Is the Sig 1911 less reliable than Colt or Springfield?
3RidersApproaching: SIG offers some very appealing 1911s in terms of features (front strap checkering, rounded butts, etc.) And their pricing is attractive. Relatively few models from Colt and Springfield come with front strap checkering (something that I have, over time, come to really appreciate after having bought a number of 1911’s that DON’T have it.)
I’ve caught some drift here and there that SIG quality (perhaps regarding their non-1911 models?) is not so good these days.
Are SIG 1911’s of comparable quality/reliability to Colt, Springfield, etc.? If not, what seems to be the downfall with SIG 1911’s? Small parts quality? Reliability?
Looking at the SIG catalog, there are some very attractive 1911 models, in terms of factory features, being offered. It seems to me that SIG 1911’s present a tremendous value in terms of features (Novak nights, front strap checkering) for a modest price. What am I missing? Is there a catch?
mparker: For my money Sig and STI are what I would buy if I were looking for an off-the-shelf 1911 and not a custom or semi-custom.
remanaz : Both my Sig 1911’s have ran perfectly out of the box.
So have all 3 of my Colts.
My SA ro compact had a few light primer strikes before I replaced the ILS MSH. My SA Combat Op 9mm had almost no extractor tension out of the box. Both SA’s have been perfect since fixed.
Minorcan: My Sig 1911 has an external extractor which many claim inferior to the Colt internal designs. Mine has several 1000 rounds through it without a hick-up. I think that is as good as it gets. What more can you ask of any pistol or mechanical device. Mine is also a USA made product. Some people claim that these newer USA made Sigs are inferior. I just don’t see but since I don’t own any other Sig models I’ll stick to their 1911 pistols. As far as functionality and style I really like the lines on my Sig a lot. PS – I also own Springfield, Ruger and other models and like them all for different reasons. The only 1911 I’ve had an issue with was a Remington and I no longer have that one.
Riverkilt: For what its worth…I’ve had two Springers, one full size and one short barrel 1911. Both were nightmares…sent one in to be fixed and it came back from SA with the same problem – extractor nightmare. When the other SA began doing the same thing I sold them both (yes with heads up to the buyer on the problems).
My 1911 Sig Ultra Compact is a favorite. An accurate workhorse with no problems.
Have a Colt Marine 1911 which is flawless of course and a sort of 1911 in the .380 Colt Mustang Pocketlite. Never a problem with Sig or Colt.
honeybadger45: Sigs are metallurgicaly inferior to Colts and less likely to be cut right. Don’t buy into the weirdo Sig fanboy fantasies.
Makoman: I just got back into 1911’s is myself. I owned 4 Colt’s prior, all were great guns and ran like tops, save for one that didn’t like anything lighter than 230 grain ammo. Based on my own limited research and budget, I decided my recent purchase would be would be either a Sig or a Springfield. I just wanted something different this time. I went to my LGS and handled several of both and ended up with a Sig Sauer TTT. The slide to frame fit seemed just a bit tighter on the Sig. The slide also felt smoother when moving it back and forth as well. I’ve read that Springfield triggers tend to be a bit better out of the box, but the trigger broke like glass on this particular Sig. The thumb safety also felt more slick, but still had a very positive feel to it when engaged and disengaged.
The main deciding factor for me though is that the Sig just looked and felt like a better quality piece when holding it in my hand. For what it’s worth, of all the mass production 1911 manufacturers, I’ve read that Sig uses a higher amount of quality parts (fewest amount of MIM parts) if that matters to you.
honeybadger45: Sigs are loaded with MIM and charge Colt prices. If you want a MIM gun, get a Ruger, at least they are honest about their pricing.. “Sig, better quality through fancy paint.”
3RidersApproaching: So, you think SIG charges more than you think they should. Fair enough, but not a big deal by any means. And for that reason alone you romp around here with a flame thrower, torching anyone who likes SIGs with vitriol and insults?
So tell us about your experiences with the Sig or other type of 1911’s.
[su_heading size=”30″]The Norma Oryx is designed to provide a perfect blend of expansion and penetration, and is available in calibers both popular and rare.[/su_heading]
STORY AND PHOTOS BY PHIL MASSARO
The 180-grain, .30-caliber Oryx, in original form and expanded
[su_dropcap style=”flat”]T[/su_dropcap]hree does jogged across the little valley below me, pausing only to look over their shoulders. It wasn’t long – a matter of seconds – before I heard the telltale grunting.
He wasn’t the biggest buck I’d ever seen, but he had eight points and a big body, and at that stage of the season he was a shooter. Head down, searching side to side, neck swollen, he cruised along giving the does’ scent the utmost attention.
At 90 yards, he stopped and gave me a quartering-toward shot, and I placed the crosshairs of the 6.5-284 Norma just inside his foreleg, gently breaking the trigger. At the shot, the buck ﬂipped backward onto his back, legs in the air, and stayed in that position. The 156-grain Oryx had taken him through the heart and lungs, and proceeded to exit just behind the offside ribs, killing him instantly.
Norma also provides premium-grade, quality brass cartridges, including these for the .300 Remington Ultra Magnum, available as factory ammunition (shown) or as component parts.
THE ORYX IS A PREMIUM BULLET, designed for a perfect blend of expansion – to create a large wound channel – and penetration – to ensure that the wound channel reaches the vital organs. Usually designed in a semispitzer proﬁle, the bullet’s copper jacket is engineered to be thinner at the nose, to initiate expansion, yet gets thicker toward the ﬂat base of the bullet.
In addition to getting thicker, the rear portion of the jacket is chemically bonded to the lead core to make sure that things stay together. Chemical bonding, resulting in what we call a “bonded core” bullet, prevents bullet breakup, and slows the expansion process down to allow the bullet to penetrate deeply. It is one of several methods used to resist overexpansion, a problem common to standard cup-and-core bullets at high-impact velocities, and the Norma Oryx does this well.
Norma loads the Oryx in some rare calibers, such as the .308 Norma magnum.
Being a semispitzer, the Oryx may not possess the high ballistic coefficient (BC) ﬁgures that some of the sleek, polymer-tipped hunting bullets may have, but at normal hunting distances that doesn’t pose a huge problem. Inside of 400 yards, shots can be made with a bullet in this conformation, and the additional terminal performance can make a big difference when it really counts; should tough shoulder bones, thick hide, or gristle plates need to be penetrated, the Oryx will deﬁnitely hold together for you.
Norma loads the Oryx in their factory ammunition, in calibers from .224 inches all the way up to .375 inches. The smallest are a good choice for those who wish to use a .22 centerﬁre on deer and other similar game. The standard big game calibers, say from 6.5mm up to 8mm, can be used with an additional level of conﬁdence, should the shot angle be less than desirable.
The .375 300-grain Oryx.
The heavier calibers, from .338 inches up to the .375 inches, will take full advantage of the Oryx’s stature, as these calibers are often used to pursue the largest animals that can be effectively hunted with a soft-point bullet. Norma offers the Oryx in mid- to heavyweight projectiles for caliber, at standard muzzle velocities. Retained weight is often high – above 90 percent in most instances – with expansion usually doubling the original diameter. THE ORYX IS AVAILABLE IN MOST of the popular calibers, such as the .270 Winchester, .30-06 Springﬁeld, .308 Winchester, .375 Holland & Holland and .300 Winchester Magnum, but also has embraced some of the rarities, like the .308 and .358 Norma Magnums, as well as the Weatherby and Blaser Magnums. Hailing from Sweden, Norma loads many of the metric calibers, like the classic 7×57 Mauser, 9.3x63mm, 8×57 and 9.3x74R, as well as some of those lesser-known calibers here in the States like the 7×64 Brenneke and the 7x65R.
The American PH line includes the 6.5-284 Norma, with the 156-grain Oryx bullet.
Norma also offers the Oryx as a component bullet for the handloader, so for those of you who like to hunt with your own ammunition, the Oryx remains a viable option.
In the ﬁeld, I like the Oryx for any situation where a difficult shot angle may be the only shot you get, or in an instance where stopping an animal may be necessary. The Oryx would make a very good choice for a hunter who wanted to use his or her .270 Winchester for elk; at 150 grains, the heavy-for-caliber bonded core slug will deﬁnitely hold together well enough to reach the vitals. I also like the Oryx for many of the African species, as well as for our North American bears. Thinking lion and leopard, as well as eland and wildebeest, the Oryx – in a suitable caliber – will provide enough expansion to shred the vital organs, yet will break those tough shoulder bones that guard the vitals.
I also think that a .338 Winchester Magnum or .375 H&H Magnum, loaded with a heavy-for-caliber Oryx, would make an excellent brown bear combination, and would certainly handle any black bear that ever walked. For a hunter who wants to pursue bears with his standard deer riﬂe, the Oryx will handle the shoulder bones and put that bear down quickly. For those who hunt deer with the popular .243 Winchester, the Oryx will surely get the job done, at just about any angle.
The classic .30-06 Springfield is even better when mated with the Oryx.
Is it accurate? My 6.5-284 Norma will print three of those 156-grain Oryx bullets into ½ MOA groups, as will my .300 Winchester Magnum with 180-grainers. My .375 H&H puts three 300-grain Oryx bullets into exactly 1 inch at 100 yards. For a trio of hunting riﬂes that will handle most all of the big game scenarios across the globe, that’s more than enough accuracy. ASJ
In the .375 H&H, the Oryx bullet makes a good choice for truly large game.