October 5th, 2016 by jhines

Does it really work?

Gangsta shooting style with a pistol where you cant the pistol to the side has been popularized by the movies but scoffed at by trained shooters. Jerry Miculek and friend Eric demonstrates to find out if this way of shooting actually works, can you hit the side of the barn or close to it?

Video Transcription

Jerry: Hey guys, I’m Jerry Miculek, and I’ve got a special guest here, Eric, you probably recognize him from IraqVeteran8888

Eric: Thanks for having me on, Jerry!

Jerry: Pleasure to have you here, today!

Eric: Yessir.

Jerry: Well what we’re gonna do today, this is the second of our series of gun myths, and what this one is gonna be, we’re gonna shoot a little gangster-style! Gonna see if we can shoot our pistols sideways, as effectively as the normal one-hand shooting position. So what we’re gonna do is go ahead and start off. We’re gonna run off the clock and make this a very scientific test. That’s why I have you here, to keep me honest, keep me very scientific.

Eric: Oh, ok! [chuckles]

Jerry: So what we’re gonna do is, we’re gonna come off the timer, and we’ll come up with six shots from the regular strong-hand position-

Eric: Ok.

Jerry: Try to keep ’em on the target, then the next string we’re gonna go gangster, come up, and see if we can actually try to repeat the performance, and do some detailed scientific analogies[sic] of why this is better or worse.

Eric: Alright. Yeah, you know, a lot of people have a, you know, a grave misconception about guns in general and how accurate they can be, I mean, everybody thinks, you sort of see the stereotypical image of your, uh, ‘urbanite’, firing a firearm from the side and everything, and he’s not hitting the left side of a barn or anything like that- or the right side of a barn- and uh, it is a common misconception, but if you apply the fundamentals, I think what Jerry and I are trying to prove here is that, the gun can shoot just as accurately if the fundamentals are applied. So we’re hopefully gonna demonstrate that.

Jerry: Scientifically.

Eric: Yes. Highly scientifically!

Jerry: [Laughs] Well, uh, since you are the guest, I’ll let you start off. I’ll give you the privilege of the first six shots.

Eric: Ok!

Jerry: Go ahead, are you loaded up?

Eric: Uh, yes we are.

Jerry: Go ahead, make it hot there if you’re not, and uh, what I’d like for you to do, you can start with the pistol in your hand, the optimum shoot position.

Eric: Ok, so we’re not gonna draw, we’re just gonna–

Jerry: No we’re not gonna draw.

Eric: Low ready?

Jerry: Yep just low ready, bottom of the target,

Eric: Ok.

Jerry: And on the timer just come up and give me six hits, and we’ll just kinda review your time, and then we’ll do it gangster.

Eric: Gangster-style.

Jerry: Gangster-style. Ok. You ready to do it?

Eric: Yessir.

Jerry: Ok, here we go! Shooter ready!

Eric: Ready!

Jerry: Standby!

[Beep] [Six shots]

Jerry: Alright, that was six rounds, pretty accurate, you did it in about eight seconds.

Eric: Yeah.

Jerry: Alright. So-

Eric: I wasn’t trying to get any in any hurry, or anything.

Jerry: Do you have enough rounds to do it again?

Eric: I do!

Jerry: Alright, we’re gonna do the same thing, this time we’re gonna do it a little gangster here, go put it sideways, see if we can shoot again, six rounds, about eight seconds.

Eric: So if our theory is correct, all rounds should land in a very similar area.

Jerry: Similar. Yeah. We wanna see if it’s gonna be distracting, any beneficial– Now you’re gonna have to tell me, as a performer, was this better or worse, so.

Eric: Alright!

Jerry: Alright! Here we go, shooter ready!

Eric: Do I do the ghetto lean?

Jerry: Do the ghetto lean.

Eric: I’m doing the ghetto lean.

Jerry: Whatever you think is going to make you a better marksman.

Eric: You know, in order to do this, I think I’m going to need to do the ghetto lean, I’m also gonna do the crotch grab, too.

Jerry: If it makes you feel good.

Eric: I think it’s gonna help.

Jerry: Well. Do whatever. [laughter]

Eric: Alright. Ready?

Jerry: Do whatever’s proper here. Okay, ready to go, guys! Shooter ready!

Eric: Ready.

Jerry: Standby!

[Loud beep, eight shots]

Jerry: Well you shot about the same speed, you had a miss in there.

Eric: Yeah I did.

Jerry: What did you see was wrong in there, you holding a little too tight with your left hand?

[Laughter]

Eric: Yeah, think I might’ve been squeezing just a little bit too tight here and there, but you know, all in all, I think the lean kinda helped, you know, gettin’ kinda back a bit, it kinda helps you know, your upper body relax a little bit so you’re not quite so tense. But, you know, honestly, this FNX has been a good handgun, I like it, it’s a fun gun to shoot, on a serious note– uh, of course, in case you couldn’t tell, that was dry humor, satire, in case you guys aren’t familiar with that. Uh, on a serious note, I notice that the bore axis– when you turn the gun, the bore axis is further to the right. So, at least for me now, it could be my trigger control, it could be my lack of trigger control, but I notice that the rounds were consistently hitting to the right just a little bit. That could just be me, but of course: the proof’s in the pudding, Jerry of course will school you guys on how to do it.

Jerry: Ok boss, uh, I’ll let you run, but it’s got a three-second de-lay.

Eric: Ok.

Jerry: So I’m just gonna start from the low-ready again.

Eric: Alright.

Jerry: Like you did.

Eric: No problem.

Jerry: And I’m just gonna come in with my strong hand, and shoot six in the center of that target.

Eric: Ok.

Jerry: Get kind of a time reference.

Eric: Shooter ready.

Jerry: Yeah.

Eric: Standby!

[Beep, six shots]

Eric: Excellent shooting.

Jerry: Okay. So that was about at two-and-a-half seconds. So -let me just redo that right quick- We average about forty-three-hundredths of a second per-shot, forty-one-hundredths. Pretty consistent splits, they hit pretty good.

Eric: Excellent!

Jerry: So we’re gonna try to do te same thing, we’re gonna turn it sideways.

Eric: Ok.

Jerry: So if you’d give me another start.

Eric: Shooter ready! Standby!

[Beep, six shots] [Jerry laughs]

Eric: Well you put ’em in there, didn’t you!

Jerry: Yeah I got kinda wild, it was really hard!

Eric: Alright, now when you were doing that, let me ask, this is something I really wanna know: Were you just picturing a liquor store robbery, or…? Anything like that, or?

Jerry: No, I was trying to actually hit something.

Eric: Ok, it was all real.

Jerry: It was all real for me, here.

Eric: Well your speed was pretty much the same.

Jerry: The problem for me was, the way the gun was recoiling, it sweeps the red dot out of my position. Also, being at the off-angle like this, it actually hides the next target, so I can only see one target at a time. If there was another target, if I’m aiming at the left target, I don’t even see the right one. Wheras if I had the pistol presented in the proper position I could actually see more targets.

Eric: Yeah, it doesn’t throw your peripheral vision off. You’re blocking a whole area of your peripheral vision with the firearm, and with your arm in the way. So, I can see where that would be a tactical disadvantage.

Jerry: It would be, because it takes a lot of time to find the next target of opportunity, so-

Eric: True.

Jerry: So there you have it guys, a pretty basic, scientific analogy[sic] of a wrong way to shoot a pistol, I think I’m gonna stick with what I’ve been doing.

Eric: I tell you what, let’s take it one step further.

Jerry: What’ve you got?

Eric: Alright, let’s get over here to the side, I’ve got a gong, post it out to about fifty yards-

Jerry: Ok.

Eric: Let’s try shooting the guns upside-down at fifty yards.

Jerry: We can do that too. I got ammo.

Eric: Let’s get over here, let’s try that.
Eric: Alright, so Jerry mentioned odd shooting positions, so let’s try upside-down.

Jerry: M’kay.

Eric: What d’you think? All the way upside-down.

Jerry: All the way.

Eric: So we’re taking it a full step further.

Jerry: That’s right.

Eric: Up the silly wagon.

Jerry: And that’s about what, about fifty yards?

Eric: ’bout fifty yards. It’s afull-size D28, which is supposed to simulate about a full-size human torso.

Jerry: M’kay. I’ll let you start off.

Eric: you want -me- to start, huh?

Jerry: Yeah, since you’re the guest, you get to show me your stuff.

Eric: Alright. Let’s see what happens. Alright.

Jerry: Show me what you’ve got.

Eric: Alright. Now bear in mind, I’ve never shot a gun upside-down, so, this is kind of–

Jerry: It’s a learning curve.

Eric: Yeah. Kinda new for me.

Jerry: Can be brutal.

Eric: One thing right out the gate that I can mention here, is that the– the gun certainly has an odd feel to it, like, you really have to–

Jerry: Yes, yes it does.

Eric: Alright, let’s see.

[Jerry chuckles]

Jerry: Survey says…

[Shot]

Jerry: That was a miss. I didn’t see what you hit. Let me get behind you. Go ahead.

[shot]

Eric: Got ‘im.

Jerry: Oh! You got him in the shoulder! Left shoulder.

[shot]

Jerry: And the neck!

Eric: I see ‘im.

[shot]

Jerry: Oop. Got a tree branch. [chuckling] [both laugh] [shot]

Jerry: Right over ‘im.

Eric: Right over ‘im? Ok, I’ll bring my point of aim down just a little bit.

[shot]

Jerry: Over him again, high right.

[shot]

Jerry: Wood again.

[shot]

Eric: Wow, that’s so much harder than you think!

Jerry: I think you’re hittin’ over ’em, aim at the bottom of the target.

Eric: The bottom?

Jerry: Yeah, aim at the bottom edge, I think you’ll hit ‘im.

[Shot-clang]

Jerry: You see? You got him!

Eric: Oh wow, look at that!

[shot]

Jerry: Trigger, trigger, trigger.

[shot]

Jerry: Oop, got an edge on it.

Eric: You know, before we start talking about this, we were talking about how I thought that the bore axis would make it ride higher. It -is- hitting higher.

Jerry: [laughs] Yeah, it is. It is.

Eric: So, interesting!

Jerry: You edged ‘im that time, don’t– you gotta really think about that little finger, there. You gotta pull it straight back. Press it straight back.

[shot]

Jerry: Ah! You foudn him, now!

Eric: Alright! Not bad!

Jerry: Right in the middle. Now you know!

Eric: Alright, now I wanna see how a master does it.

Jerry: So what did you wind up doing with your sight picture?

Eric: Well, what I actually did was, I uh -I’m gonna pull these off so I’m not hollerin’ at you guys- What I actually did, is I kept the same sight picture, I just ended up having to bring it way down. I was having to aim pretty much a little bit lower, and for some reason, earlier, it was seeming like I was aiming kinda– I was aiming dead center, and for some reason I was just hitting so much high, and I had a few of my rounds land over the left shoulder there. And then once I brought my sight picture down, it seemed like they were impacting, you know, a little closer ‘where I wanted ’em. It’s certainly a challenge and, you know, the– these guns are designed to be held in that one position by the human body, so, you know, they’re designed to fall into that certain ergonomic. But when you take that and you just totally reverse it and make it just so awkward, it really is odd.

Jerry: That makes it fun. We’re gonna paint it up again, and I’ll give it a shot.

Eric: Yeah, absolutely! I’d love to see that.
Jerry: Alright, Eric; you found your sweet spot, my turn. I got it dialed on my pistol, so it should be a little eaiser.

Eric: Alright! School us!

Jerry: Let’s go ahead and, uh, I’m just gonna hold center, and see were it goes from there, see where it lives. Yeah this is kinda weird.

Eric: It looks weird.

[shot]

Eric: Well, just off-center.

[shot x3]

Jerry: Ooh.

Eric: Not bad.

Jerry: I tell you what I’m gonna do. I’m gonna shoot ‘im in the head. [laughter]

Eric: Alright! Let’s see it!

Jerry: Let’s see it. I’m actually wobblin’, as wide as those sights are on the target. So Imma try to man up here and get that wobble down.

[shot]

Jerry: Nope, wasn’t there.

[shot]

Jerry: Oop. That’s what I get for braggin’.

[Eric laughs] [shot]

Jerry: Alright, let me go back to the middle, see where I’m at.

[shot]

Jerry: To the right.

[shot]

Jerry: That was center!

[shot]

Jerry: Those two were good!

Eric: Good shooting!

Jerry: ANYWAY.

[Eric laughs]

Jerry: It’s actually uh –clear– It’s actually surprisingly– my wobble zone is what you see on the target, holding it upside-down like that with just this little bit of contact, I’m getting these oscillations that are really, really apparent with the dot, you might not have been seeing it on your metallic sights, but that’s about as best I could hold, and uh– so actually when the shots cooked off in the middle, they actually hit middle.

Eric: Yeah.

Jerry: I’m hittin’ right where the dot’s sayin’ so.

Eric: For sure!

Jerry: No excuses other than, uh, bein’ rough on the trigger.

Eric: Outstanding.

Jerry: So there it is guys, upside-down!

Eric: Awesome! Well, there you go! That’s proof in the pudding. So, a gun will shoot just as accurately upside-down, sideways, as it will any other way. There you have it. Thanks for having me on, Jerry.

Jerry: You’re welcome, Eric, thanks for bein’ here.

Eric: Thank you sir. Alright.
Jerry: Alright Eric, I gotta redeem myself– I’m gonna make a headshot on that target.

Eric: I’m watching.

Jerry: Ok. Here we go! Gotta redeem myself.

[shot, hit]

Jerry: Aha! [laughter]

Eric: Great shot! Right in the top of the skull!

Jerry: Aaah!

[Firing at the soda bottles downrange, several shots at some metal targets] [both laugh]

Jerry: I couldn’t help myself, we had all those cheap sodas down there. Anyway, I got the headshot done!

Eric: It smells great out here, now.

Jerry: Got a little grape soda in the air. Anyway! What you need to do guys, you need to check Eric out, his website, Iraqveteran8888, he’s got some really good stuff, we’ve got some really trick stuff coming, so keep postin’ guys. We’ve got good stuff on its way.

Eric: Jerry, thanks for havin’ me.

Jerry: My pleasure, Eric, good shootin’ with you.

Eric: Awesome, thanks.

Source: Jerry Miculek Youtube

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