Depending on what the AR’s or Mini’s are used for, we can all agree that the AR’s is better for most situations. (SHTF, home defense, hunting, etc..) But, if we talk about the costs to have either a low end or tricked out piece of hardware, I guess the discussions can go on almost forever with the die hard AR’s and Mini-14 folks. Or, better yet which one is most accurate?
For the Mini-14 fans here are 8 reasons why its better than the AR15.
Poison_Tequila: the truth is a little different. An AR can be picky or reliable, a mini is probably more accurate than 95% of shooters. Comparing an AR to a mini is a little like comparing an iPhone to some Android device. There are plenty of great android devices but with a million manufacturers and so forth it can be hard to decide who is good and who is bad.
I like wooden stocks so I have a mini. I love it, it throws brass a long way. It throws steel a long way. I can hit a paper plate at 200 yards. That said the AR is cheaper (maybe) more fun to build (really) and just about as much fun as you can have with a gun.
If you want an out the door cheapish shooting gun, go mini. If you want a great experience the, you want to be one with the rifle, (if your range time is limited) go AR. Though I don’t think you can really go wrong either way.
LCDJosh: Unbiased appreciator and user of Ak,AR15,Mini14 platforms here: The new Mini 14’s have a different, heavier barrel and are significantly more accurate. This change was made around 2005.
The newer Minis are also not as finicky about mags as the older models. I like Ruger factory mags the most, but I’ve never had a faliure to feed from the cheap plastic eagle mags(not the greatest feed lips though), the polymer thermolds(though I do not recommend thermolds because I couldn’t insert the mag with the bolt closed), or even the pro mags.
AdmiralTiberius: Biggest advantage is if you were either living in a place you have to be 21 to purchase a “military style rifle” (i.e. Minnesota et al.) or need a permit to purchase a “military style rifle”. Also, mini is cheaper, and looks more classic, grunt, m1 style badass instead of modern, stealth, badass.
Edit: also I don’t buy the accuracy argument. $100 says 95% of shooters can’t put rounds down accurately enough to matter. If you can, that’s awesome, but I haven’t invested the time to be an expert marksman; I just love guns.
Edit 2: just thought of this. Mini is a simple gun. If it were a “survival” or brush situation or whatnot, I would absolutely pick the mini. Quick and dirty teardown, can get dirty, rugged in my opinion. But… If you plan to oper8, obviously pick ar.
Edit 3: mounts on mini are shit. Biggest weakness imho.
LCDJosh: I neither live in a state that has regarding age or needing a permit. I actually thought the Mini-14 would have been A- cheaper then the because its made with wood furniture or B- More accurate than the AR.
DaSilence: I inherited the Mini-14, and rarely shoot it.
The AR is the barbie doll of guns. You can do literally anything you want to it.
They’re both fine rifles, and either would be a good choice.
white17509: The minis are OK as long as you get a ranch rifle. They are later in production and have a better rear sight and known to be more accurate. You will have a harder time finding mags.
AR-15 style rifles are as good as the parts they are built from. Comparing a cheap poly AR and a ranch rifle, the ranch rifle wins. But generally and decent AR beats a mini in adaptability, parts availability/price, magazine availability, accuracy and ease of use. Your wife may benefit from the adjustable stock. Also, you can swap out uppers intended for different applications.
9millaThrilla: I got a mini due to a local AWB. Every day I wish I could get an AR. I really like the action of the mini, but mag changes and the ergos of the AR are much smoother. Plus the fact that every part you’ll ever need for an AR is readily available locally while mini parts need to be found online makes it a more versatile weapon and easier to maintain in a pinch.
mewarmo990: OP, whichever rifle you pick I don’t think you will regret it. But here’s my two cents:
After some consideration, I went with the AR-15 because I wanted to put it together myself, and learn a thing or two about rifles while I was at it.
Since I parted it together a little bit at a time over most of last year, I was able to build a considerably nicer rifle (maybe $1300?) than I would’ve had if I had bought a complete rifle on an immediate budget of around $800.
That said, I have shot my friend’s Mini-14 a bit and have only good things to say about it. The only thing that could have been better were the “ghost ring” iron sights – if I bought a Mini I would personally put the excellent Tech Sights on it for the (American) service rifle aperture sight picture I am used to.
As others have said, the mechanical accuracy of the Mini-14 is going to be somewhat less than an AR-15 — especially if you’ve built the AR to be more accurate than stock M4 style setup — but unless you are seriously into rifle marksmanship you will never see the difference.
Fozzy: I’d go with the AK. My mini 14 is the least accurate and least reliable gun I own. Granted it is an older model one, so it ‘s expected to be a little inaccurate, but I also have not found any mags that are reliable enough for me to trust the rifle if SHTF. If I were you, I’d tell him to get the AK, or be a good friend and spend some time talking him in to an AR.
PredatorWhacker: I’ve had several minis over the years and currently have one of the newer ones. They are ok rifles if expectations are not that high. They are robust. With my handloads it is pretty accurate. (for a mini) Right at 1 1/2″ groups. With ball ammo it is typical mini accuracy. About 6″….with a scope. I haven’t employed any of the touted accurizing techniques other than retourqing(sp) the gasblock, which did help.
My complaints with the mini-14
Spare parts availability.
Mag price and availability (although much better in recent years).
Long term durability.
Hard usage durability, like extended firing. Not designed to be drug around in conflict long term.
At the moment for AK pattern rifles I only have a Norinco 7.62×39, Arsenal 5.45×39 and IMI Galil 5.56. All these will shoot more accurately than the ball ammo fueled mini.
Moondog: Take your friend to the range, and demonstrate the reliability of the AR platform. Also, give him a history lesson about how the AR has been improved in the last 45 or so years, and part of the problem in Vietnam was bad ammo.
The arguments goes on and on, tell us what your experiences with either and what you prefer.
Source: AR15.com/Forum and Reddit/guns/, TFB TV Youtube
After posting up the article about the Unique AR’s self-adjusting grip, Unique AR reached out and asked if I wanted to review their Unique Grip. I was intrigued by this grip and wanted to see what it could do.
As advertised the grip does adjust to your hand. You just loosen the set screw at the bottom and grab the grip. The grip is divided into two sections of shifting plates, the front and back. Grabbing the grip closes the shifting plates and the grip changes its shape to fit your hand.
However, you don’t always have to just grab the grip. You can push or pull sections to shift your hand position in relation to the trigger.
Look at the grip set up below. I left the rear section of shifting plates to reposition my hand rearward.
Depending on your grip shape, the plates approximate the curvature. In some extreme cases, there will be gaps where the curve is not as smooth.
The set screw is actually the same screw you use to mount the grip to the AR lower. When adjusting and setting the grip you can actually twist the grip and get some interesting angles.
If you loosen the set screw enough, you can rotate the shifting plates 90 degrees to the grip. You can see that the plates are hollow and inside are a series of rubber tubes. The tubes are what provides resistance and what allows the plates to expand when the set screw is released. You are basically squeezing the plates to squish those tubes. It is somewhat like a hand grip exerciser tool attached to your AR.
There is one issue I have with the Unique Grip and it is how I prefer to grip my ARs. I like to choke up on the grip and get my hand position as high as possible. This is a problem for me due to the gap between the trigger guard and the grip.
See where my middle finger sits? There is a hard 90-degree angle between the grip and trigger guard. No amount of shifting grip plates will fix this problem.
I thought maybe this might be an issue with my Salient lower so I tried a different lower.My Troy Carbine lower is mil-spec and the problem is still there.
The other problem is that now I am engaging only 2/3s of the grip. Take a look at my hand position below. Notice where my pinky finger rests, it is just below the middle of the grip. There are six plates that I am not even using my hand.
Since my middle finger sits in that 90-degree corner, then only my ring finger and pinky finger are engaging with the grip.
Another issue to be aware of is the top of the grip that slides over the lower receiver. The ears of the grip may be tight and need coercion to fit on your AR lower. It appears the grip I was sent was slightly warped out of the mold and made the ears of the grip a little too narrow. You can see in the photo below how the gap between the ears is narrower than the ridge in the lower. But since it is polymer it was not too difficult to force the grip on the lower, it just took a bit more effort than I am used to with other grips.
I was hoping the Unique Grip would be more modular than it is. Since the plates can shift position, I naively hoped that I could change the angle of the grip. Sadly that is not the case. I found the Unique Grip interesting but it does not fit my needs and shooting style. I did not have any issues shooting my AR with the Unique Grip, however, I prefer a different angle since I like to have the AR closer to my body. I normally have a more vertical angled grip and find it to be more ergonomic for how I shoot. As I mentioned above, my hand position makes the Unique Grip not that useful for me.The grip is advertised as comfortable but I found certain shapes to be rough and not that comfortable. this usually occurs when there are drastic changes in plate position. With a big enough shift between two plates, you can get a considerable gap which accents the hard corners of the shifting plates.
Looking at the way the grip is designed, I don’t see why they could not have shortened the top section and brought the shifting plates closer to the trigger guard and eliminate that hard 90-degree corner. When the Unique Grip was announced it was advertised to cost $95. This is no longer the case and the grip is now $65 on Unique AR’s website. I suppose if you have large hands, then the Unique Grip maybe for you, but as it is, I don’t find it to be all that useful to me. Your mileage may vary.
Edit: I reached out to Unique AR and they addressed the issues I had. Here is what Unique AR’s Founder Jim Corbet said.
Hey Nick,Thanks for taking a look at our grips. We truly appreciate any and all feedback. The upper part of the grip that slides onto the receiver should be tight the tighter the better but it should not be difficult to put on. we are are working on making sure the quality control inspections are catching anything like the upper grip tolerance being too tight. We have the injection molders do an initial inspection and we have our assembly and packaging staff do a final inspection. Unfortunately, it seems we have had a couple of grips that are tight sneak through our final inspection. We believe we have that completely rectified and we will not ship any more components like that.As to the slider being closer to the trigger guard, we had to make some engineering decisions that precluded us from getting them to be any closer. The primary concern was the large variety of lowers that have various size trigger guards. We had to decide that it was better to have slightly less adjustability at that point of the grip and fit on every receiver then to have full adjustability and not fit on some receivers. I wish we had a way to accommodate both. We worked on this particular problem for quite some time trying to devise the best solution and we feel that overall this was the best way to go. We have found that relaxing your middle finger slightly while adjusting the grip if you have all the way on the trigger guard that it will form a more comfortable shape.
Want a straight AR-15 rifle without the gun store jargon?
Well, my friends, I have the list for you.
Here’s the lineup of top 10 AR-15 rifles that I think are the best priced for what you get. Not all of them are sub $1,000 and I quote factory MSRP. (If you’re prior military and can get access to the PX, they have some great deals, just lettin you know)
Have a look at the top 10 best-priced AR-15 rifles.
Anderson Arms AM14-M4
A Gunbroker listing had the rifle at $975. Can probably get it for about a $1,000 – $1,100 for a new one. No MSRP pricing
Smith & Wesson M&P Sport
Smith & Wesson comes to the table with a budget rifle aimed at the average range-goer. They know that most people don’t care about dust covers, lug nuts, M203 barrel cuts, and less than a 1/9 twist. They give you what you want in a rifle. Factory MSRP is $739.
Armalite M-15 A4
No list of best-priced AR-15s would be without the original Armalite. Factory MSRP is $1,073 and for what you get, this rifle is practically a steal.
Smith & Wesson M&P MOE
Smith & Wesson M&P line comes to market with exceptional quality at a high value. Get their AR-15 decked out with Magpul Dynamics gear at the factory MSRP $1,259.
One of the longest running contractors to the U.S. military, Colt puts out some amazing rifles. The LE6920 is a competitively priced tactical rifle that is still in active service with many law enforcement units. Factory MSRP is $1,155.
Daniel Defense M4 V1 LW
Daniel Defense is a premium manufacturer of whole rifles and their components at reasonable prices. They employ revolutionary techniques, almost sci-fi type metals and they sell to elite forces everywhere. The DDM4 Light Weight comes to you at factory MSRP $1,799.
Smith & Wesson M&P Optics Ready
Smith & Wesson knows that most AR-15 owners are going to scrap the stock sights and put their own configuration on there. Save yourself some money with their optics-ready line coming at the factory MSRP of $1,069.
Rock River Arms LAR-15 Entry Tactical
Rock River Arms lets you fully customize the rifle straight from the factory. With their easy to use interface on the website you can have a firing platform created to your exact specifications. The base model comes in at factory MSRP of $1,200.
Sig Sauer M400
Sig Sauer does German engineering in the states with their top-of-the-line facility in Exeter, New Hampshire. Their baseline model comes with a lot of bells and whistles for the factory MSRP of $1,200.
Windham Armory R16M4FTT
Windham Armory is the collection of the former Bushmaster employees for the company’s buy out and downturn. These guys still know how to make rifles and put out some very well priced to performance rifles. Their R16M4FTT comes in a factory MSRP of $1,069.
If you’re looking for other rifles (bolt action) as well, have a look at our rifle gallery here.
Sources: Slick Guns, Daniel Defense, Windhamm Arms, Ryan Ross
Another jaw-dropping meltdown video, this time of an entry-level AR-15 upper receiver.
The guys over at IraqVeteran8888 have, hands down, one of the most entertaining YouTube channels on the Internet. With great reviews, the always laughable “We’ll Shoot Your Stuff” series, and educational videos, IraqVeteran8888 has some truly fantastic content.
However, the videos that never fail to please are the “Meltdown” series. The recipe? Take one gun everyone loves. Add a fully-automatic capability. Stir in a ridiculous amount of loaded magazines and drums. Shoot the bejeezus out of the gun that everyone loves until it fails, hopefully while catching fire in the process.
In our feature video, Iraqveteran8888 does the working man a favor and installs an entry-level, inexpensive AR-15 M4 pattern upper receiver from Palmetto State Armory on a full-auto lower. All in the name of meltdown science… see the sacrifices these guys make to better our world?
For the guys out there who are wondering how a PSA AR-15 M4-pattern el cheapo upper receiver stands up to a torrent of full-auto love: sit back, grab your popcorn, and thoroughly enjoy this delirious deluge of delightful AR-15 destruction.
I’ll admit, I didn’t think the inexpensive upper would stand up as well as it did. Frankly, I’m looking forward to the future reviews of Palmetto and other inexpensive manufacturers they propose at the end of the video.
Sources: Iraqvet8888 Youtube, Drew Perez
At one time back in the day, inside most police cars were equipped with an M-870 shotgun. Then theres an odd ball patrolman with his AR-15 with .223 caliber. Which patrolman has the advantage?
The logic behind the usage of an AR stems from situations where a firearm needed for greater range than a shotgun.
So the debate begins, shotgun folks talk about having the knock down power to stop the fight with its 00 buck. AR’s with its high velocity and more firepower in terms of 20 rounds – 30 rounds magazine capacity.
Using either firearm we can make a perfect case as the weapon of choice to have for personal defense. In order for us to decide in an un-biased environment, a test should be conducted for validation. We can do this by pitting the two guns in a side by side shootout.
There needs to be a determination that each gun should be fired at the same target and at the same range. Because the idea is to ascertain some kind of combat effectiveness under stress, a time limit needs to be establish on each stage.
This test was based from Wiley Clapp test out on Gunsite where he had two Range Masters both skilled with the shotgun and AR go through this special course of fire. (Bill Murphy – shotgun and Vince Morgan – AR-15)
This course of fire were as follow:
A shooter armed with respective firearm would engage a silhouette at various ranges. First at 15 yards, then 25, 50, 75 and 100 yards. At the command of a whistle the shooter would have 3 seconds to fire off as many rounds as possible onto the target.
Without looking at the facts but common firearm knowledge of the two weapons. Shotgun at close range would have more hits, but at greater range the carbine would have more.
Within the shooting circle it is understood using anything like a .73 caliber, soft lead hollow-base bullet weighing 437 grain, traveling 1,325 fps at 25 yards will pack a punch. This punch when hitting a torso will instantly stop the fight.
Another thing to note from the test was that both range masters were supplied with stock guns. If you didn’t know, stock shotguns does not come with rear sights. So obviously, the test resulted that the AR was dominant at greater range.
Another perspective or to implement, if you were to put on some Red Dot sights for the shotgun and check out the wider use of slugs. I’m willing to bet at intermediate ranges from 50 to 100 yards the shotgun would fare well. Which is perfect for personal defense, then again that’s our opinion whats yours? Let us know below in the comment section.
Sources: GunSite, Wiley Clapp, Bill Murphy, Vince Morgan
Here are the 8 traits that makes the Ruger Mini-14 better than the AR-15.
James Reeves of TFB TV discusses 8 traits of the humble Ruger Mini-14 that actually best the infamous AR15. James also gives viewers a brief history of the Mini-14, including a discussion of improvements that have been made to boost the historic Mini-14’s poor accuracy.
James in the end demonstrates the firing, unloading and reloading to show the main differences between the AR’s and Mini-14.
Production of the Mini-14 started in 1973 by Strum and Ruger. The rifle caliber is 223 Remington and is basically a scaled down version of the M-14.
Mini-14 has more of a personal feel than the AR-15. Maybe it is the wooden stock of the Mini that gives it more of a hunting rifle look and feel than the AR?
One of the negative thing about the mini-14 is the magazine has to catch on the front and then be pulled into position, similar to an AK47. Magazine changes with the AR are much easier.
Another cool feature with the Mini-14 is that the factory stock can be replaced with a folding stock. This makes it a wonderful compact rifle.
Sources: TFB TV, Wiki, AllOutdoor, Firearm Blog, Kevin Felts
Firearms manufacturers are constantly churning out new parts and accessories so shooters can upgrade the AR-15 experience, but Dead Foot Arms has come up with something they believe is a true game-changer.
Their Modified Cycle System (MCS) is the first and only drop-in folding stock adaptor for the AR-15 platform that allows the gun to fire whether the stock is deployed or folded. The American Shooting Journal recently had a conversation with Russ Simonis, COO of the veteran-owned and -operated company, to find out more about this and other Dead Foot Arms products.
AMERICAN SHOOTING JOURNAL: I understand that your folding stock has become quite a success. Can you tell us how you came up with the idea?
RUSS SIMONIS: The idea really started to manifest in 2009 when Ted (Schumacher, Dead Foot Arms’ CEO and founder) was in Iraq. The M4 Carbine is simply too long to efficiently operate in most tactical vehicles. We wanted to find a way to reduce the overall length of the weapon without significant reductions in barrel length, but still keep the weapon operational in the folded configuration. In 2010, Ted met the rest of the current team members, including me, when he joined our unit in the Wisconsin Army National Guard. He told us about the idea, and we worked together for over five years through testing and prototyping the system until we were ready to release it to the public at Shot Show 2016.
ASJ: How is it different from any others on the market today?
RS: The first question we get asked when someone sees our product the first time is, “Can it fire with the stock folded?” It certainly can. What makes the Modified Cycle System unique is that it’s the only drop-in/retrofit folding stock system for the AR-15 that gives you that capability. There are a couple of other folder systems out there, but either they disable the weapon in the folded position or they require a proprietary upper receiver. When you install our system, you won’t need to re-zero and you’ll find it much easier to install than most types of PDW style stocks, taking about 5 to 7 minutes. What also makes the MCS different than its competitors is we sell the system in a wide variety of configurations. Many of our customers purchase the system without the folding stock adaptor, and just run our 2.5-inch receiver extension on the back of their lower. We call this our MCS AR-Pistol kit and it’s been a really attractive option for our customers looking to run something super short. We also offer the MCS in a left side folding configuration, ideal for left side folding shooters.
ASJ: Has it been a challenge to keep up with the demand of your stock?
RS: Increasingly so, yes. Items will go out of stock from time to time but we always have more getting cut, so just check back on the website (deadfootarms.com/products) periodically if you’re waiting for something to come available. We also run a pretty robust Law Enforcement Testing and Evaluation Program so we have stock rotating and moving through that route, as well. It’s been very exciting for us to see the amazing customer response we’ve received and the friends of friends who purchased our products after seeing it on their buddies’ guns. Needless to say, our customers are keeping us super busy and we love them for that.
ASJ: As a young business finding success, what has been the hardest thing to overcome?
RS: The firearms industry can be pretty ruthless to the new company who’s trying to make their mark. We knew we had a product that a lot of people in the industry were looking for. When you’re starting out from scratch, it can be quite a challenge to get the attention of your audience because they’ve never heard of you. That’s just human nature. There’s a lot of ideas out there, so as a new company you have to find a way to make your product stand out. There’s no better marketing strategy than putting your products in customers’ hands and proving that it works, and that is exactly what we are finding is our most successful marketing tool. If you’re planning on launching a new product in this industry, and expect to sell them, you need to dedicate yourself to a daily social media grind after you shut the machines down for the day. You could invent a spaceship to Mars, but without social media presence, you will be overlooked and never found.
ASJ: Where do you see your company going from here?
RS: It’s early, but hopefully we can see our business continue to grow in several different ways. Our focus is to put quality USA-made tactical products in the hands of our customers who desire them, whether they be DoD, law enforcement or sporting shooters. We definitely have big plans beyond the MCS, but that will remain our primary focus in the near term. Long term, sky is the limit. Like many entrepreneurs, we’ve got about 250 ideas brewing that we swear we will put on the market one day. I am optimistic we will get a few of those released in the very near future.
ASJ: Do you have any new products coming out that you can tell us about?
RS: We are currently working on a new MCS PDW style stock that will hit the market later in 2017 or early 2018, along with another minimalist stock system for standard buffer AR-15 systems. We’re very excited about both of those products and we’ve already invested significant time in the development of both of them. In April, we launched our new weapon customization program, DFA Custom. We teamed up with an outstanding cerakote applicator here in Wisconsin, our friend Josh DuMond, who has done hundreds of weapons over the past few years, to provide our custom coating service and the response has been great thus far. Our prices are tough to beat and Josh is coating everything – pistols, rifles, shotguns, or you can now custom order your MCS system in the cerakote color of your choice.
For more information on Dead Foot Arms and their products, visit
After seeing another blog claim that the AK47 shot 10 MOA (or 10″ groups at 100 yards), James Reeves became fed up with the bullshit and decided to test the prevalent belief that the AK is an inaccurate combat rifle.
In this episode of TFBTV, James compares an American made AR15 to a Russian and Serbian/Yugoslavian AK to answer this question (and perhaps bust this myth?) once and for all.
James uses the Yugo M70 AK and Saiga SGL21 AK shooting 124 grain Wolf ammo.
AR’s was very easy to maintain a 2 inch grouping at 100 yards.
The Saiga AK’s came up with one and three quarters inches groupings.
Overall, the AR’s may be easier to work with on getting repetitive accuracies. But these AK’s actually did well with crappy Wolf ammo. What do you all think and do you own an AK?, have you customized it at all? Let us know below in the comment section.
Sources: TFB TV Youtube, James Reeves
Quality body armor that are rated at 3+ is supposed to protect you against almost anything, but have you ever wondered if it can stand up to a 458 Socom round at 300 grams?
Body armor is an amazing thing, seeing how it deflects the rounds heading towards a target is simply astonishing. Of course for every grade of body armor there is going to be a round that’s just a little too big or powerful for it and will bust right through. Today we get to find out just how quickly a 458 Socom round will render a plate of 3+ body armor useless on the body of it’s wearer thanks to Matt from Demolition Ranch.
Always wanted to know how many hits steel can take from this BRUTAL bullet. Well it took over 50 rounds for it to bend the plate and eventually shattering the lower half of it. As powerful a round as the 458 Socom is, we certainly didn’t expect it to last quite that long.
Obviously, its highly unlikely that you’re going to take that many rounds directly. But it’s good to know that if that’s what it came down to giving you a decent amount of time before it finally gives way.
Source: Demolition Ranch Youtube, Chris Buckner
The folks from AK47 Local Union did a live-fire barrel test between a Daniel’s Defense AR-15 against the classic Vepr AK-47.
These two guns have gone head-to-head on battlefields across the world early in the “cold war” to current terrorist threats, but how will they fare in this range competition?
Well I have to admit these two famous rifles came out pretty much neck-and-neck for accuracy and robustness, even at high barrel temperatures. (very hot)
Interesting how the AK-47 round seemed to have significant drift when the winds were up downrange, but as mentioned, this has been a known factor for the AK over the years. On the other side the AR-15 dropped about an inch or two for its grouping at high temperatures, but the barrel cooled off more quickly than its rival.
Many in the U.S. will probably pick the AR over the AK, but the rest of the world may choose the AK. The AK-47 respectively has a solid simple design for the grunts. AR-15’s with its progressive modification capabilities makes it ideal for all situation weapon. So what do you think, which firearm would you use and why?
Clash of the titans! Two rifles: A Vepr and Daniel Defense! First let me start with the Vepr. An action episode this time, we were working on the barrel and the things connected to the barrel, but first let me start with the vepr. As you can see, the Vepr was slightly modified, I did modify the stock adapter from our friends from Difinitive Arms, to fit the M4 stock, and the reason behind it is, because later down the line, we[‘re] going to do much more with those rifles and optics, and I want to give them equal chance, equal opportunity, for the vepr, and it shouldn’t be discriminated because of the stupid polymer stock, which is standard on the rifle, but is not very good for the optics, as we all know. Besides, we have like five-hundred dollars difference between the Vepr and the DanielDefense, so we can spend some money on the Vepr and upgrade the Vepr.
But, enough with the bullshit talk. What we did today, this is a very cool test, guys, and I think so that a lot of you guys were saying that this test would actually favor the Vepr because of the heavy barrel, so one thing we’re doing, we’re shooting a group of five shots from the twenty-five yards, and then we’re doing the magazine dump, and not magazine, but four magazines. Four magazines dump, I checked the temperatures, I think so the hottest point was on the gas block for the Vepr, and it was close to four-hundred degrees fahrenheit. But this was the first group, as you can see the grouping is impressive. What I’m looking for is the center of the group, and then the shift, point of impact shift, after warming up the rifle. And as I said, this case we only got only fifty-five degrees of fahrenheit outside temperature, but the barrel warmed up after four magazines to like four-hundred degrees. And this was the first group before the warm up, and this is the second group. after the warmup. So as you can see, there is almost no point of impact shift. So Vepr did very very nice in this test, and as expected. This is the benefit of having the hot heavy barrel, and the heavy barrel benefits the Vepr in this punch-out shootout.
Still, I was kinda surprised, I mean I know that we are reaching the four-hundred and four-hundred-fifty -depends on the ambient temperature-, but that rifle warm[ed] up, warm[ed] up after the magazines. We had one malfunction, but it was obviously not the Vepr’s fault, the primer [fell] out from the Wolf ammo, so this is not the rifle’s fault, okay? Whatever happened there. But it happened, and it’s documented, and you can see the picture [indistinguishable]. But the Wolf ammo is… eh, it’s Wolf ammo, I will leave it at that.
Then, then we switch to Daniel Defense, M4 V-11 Lightweight, and a lot of you were saying that this is where this rifle is going to get punished. As you can see, I put on it the iron sights, I didn’t want to use optics on any of those rifles for now, for this test, because I don’t want to be blaming optics on the heat or whatever. So we stick to the iron sights. And these are Troy iron sights, so if you want to calculate the cost, yes it’s almost a hundred-fifty dollars more now, on the Daniel Defense, so this thing– I just keep throwing the money at it. All joking aside, let’s look at the target from DanielDefense, guys. This was the target from DanielDefense, and as you can see, this was the first group, and then after the four magazines dump, we had the shift by– I would say about one inch down. So this is the twenty-five yards, and you gotta multiply this, now, by four if you want to be for the one-hundred, so you will probably have about four inches, more or less, four inches shift at the one-hundred yards when you will do the four magazine dumps in a row.
What was really interesting, this rifle didn’t warm up as much as AK. We were way below four-hundred, we were in the upper three-hundreds, that was the barrel part right here, and that was kind of interesting to see. Actually though, we didn’t warm up as much as we did on the Vepr. Now, interesting thing, guys, we took both rifles to see so-called ‘combat accuracy’, ok, Iron Sights at three-hundred yards distance, on ten shots with the AR with those Iron Sights, ten hits, really nothing exciting to report, the rifle shot very very well, and all hits landed on target.
One thing I forgot to say, we had two malfunctions when doing the barrel test– the original barrel test. Again, it was a problem with the ammo, it was the light primer sights. But then absolutely nothing. So maybe because the rifles were still new, maybe they both had some issues, I don’t know, forget about it.
But going back to shooting at three-hundred yards, ten for ten, no issues with wind. We have wind today, and no issues from Daniel Defense, it performed as it should, so that was nice to see. Now, let me talk about the Vepr, and the three-hundred yards. So, I made the ten shots, almost immediately I switched to the Vepr and started placing shots on target, and all shots landed on the right side, and when I went to check on the target, I had three misses, and let me tell you this guys, I’m no stranger of shooting the AK at three-hundred yards, so for me this was disappointing. You have only seven hits. The thing is, as you can see, the hits were placing constantly on the right side, and the misses went to the right side, and the reason for this is, from what I was shooting there wasn’t that much of the wind, but on the targets, I had the wind from left to right, I had no optic, and I couldn’t see that there is some movement, I assume that I have the wind, I didn’t make correction. When I shot with the correction, you can see I was able to place the targets in the middle of the target and do the nice grouping. But first group counts, and what happened, you know, ten shots, seven hits, three misses. So, it is what it is. This just shows you how that 7.62 by 39 round is, guys, is prone to wind. And you have to, I keep preaching this, when you’re shooting that caliber, you have to watch out, especially when you are shooting at that extended range. [The] farther you go, more punished by wind you will be. And this was basically the case.
But that’s it for this episode, as you can see, you can see what Daniel Defense can do as far as the barrel when it’s heated up, and what the Vep– and what impact of heat that does or does not have on the Vepr. Both rifles are going strong so far, we have managed to log almost 500 rounds per each, I think it was something like 470 and 485, a little bit more on the Vepr. I will call this almost 500 rounds. And with the initial hiccups at the beginning, nothing else happened, both rifles are going strong. So that’s it for this episode, we’ll be back for more, stay tuned to the Clash of the Titans series. Thanks for watching!
Original idea from Andy Van Loan revised by AmsjStaff
Source: AK Operators Union, Local 47-74
Watch the video below to see how this rifle stands up to this challenge.
If that isn’t surprising, then I don’t know what is. The AR15 went 5 for 5 right after having mud poured over every inch of its mechanical parts. During the second round of testing, it even had mud poured directly onto it with the dust cover open.
The key to this rifle’s success is centered on the way it was designed. Since all if its moving parts are designed to essentially seal off entry, the construction is enough to prevent mud from entering parts of the gun that would cause it to misfire.
When it comes to passing the mud test with flying colors, this is as good as it gets.
So we’re gonna start clean –well, as clean as we can be– Nothing in the gun, and fire a couple rounds to prove that it works, and then we’re gonna move on to the mud.[Off-camera]: You know, nobody thinks an AR-15 can [indistinguishable] [Host]: I’ve-I’ve heard that rumor! Alright, so! Five rounds, ready? [Five shots] [Host]: On safe! I’m gonna close the dust cover for the initial test. Now I wanna mention something: There’s no rear sight here, I know there’s no rear sight, before you call us an idiot, we’re not shooting at a target, this is a mud test. Not an accuracy test. We ready? [Off-camera]: Yep! [Host]: Got it? [Off-camera]: Here goes! [Host]: Into the mud! That’s pretty good! [Off-camera]: That’s pretty nasty. Let’s get some on the other side. That’s the side that matters. [Host]: It is. You ready? [Off-camera]:Yep! Oh yeah! Pile it on! Little more. There we go! [Host]: It’s pretty soupy! [Off-camera]: That is very soupy! [Host]: I can see stuff going into the trigger control area. [Off-camera]: That’s not good. [Host]: Alright. Here we go! [Off-camera]: Alright. Hold on… [Host]: Tell me when! [Off-camera]: Go ahead. [Firing] [Host]: Five rounds! Flawless! Alright! Dust cover’s open! I’m not even gonna bother with that side, we’re gonna put it in this way and we’re gonna mud it. Ready? [Off-camera]: Do it again! Actually, hold on. Before we go any farther, let’s just point out real quick, this thing just passed, in a test that several people have told us is ‘so insanely pointless, as to be meaningless’ because ‘nothing could conceivably pass it’. [Host]: This just passed the test that everyone said the AK would. The AK failed, sort of, got a C-, B+, whatever. This just passed, five rounds clean. Five rounds literally submerged in goo. [Off-camera]: Alright, I think we know why that is, why don’t you go ahead and mud this side, and we’ll see if it keeps working before we explain it. [Host]: Alright, so we’ve got no dust cover, the dust cover IS open, I hope that’s clear on the footage. [Off-camera]: Yep! I can see it. Oh god, now I can’t see it. [Host]: Literally piled it straight into the hole. [Off-camera]: Alright! [Host]: You guys see that? I can’t see it! Let me get the ROCKS out of the gun. Alright, there we go! Ready? [Off-camera]: Yep! [Host]: Five rounds! [five shots]
Let me keep going![Five more shots, then a click]
Oh my![Off-camera]: Out of ammo. [Host]: We didn’t lock open, but the gun functioned! Not one malfunction. Submerged in mud, dust cover closed, dust cover open, this gun summarily –handily!– beat the AK-47 in the mud test. [Off-camera]: Shocking! [Host]: Not shocking at all. The reason for this is that this gun is closed from the elements. Even with the dust cover open, the tolerances around the bolt carrier group are tight enough that generally speaking, debris and filth cannot get in there unless it is completely locked back and open. If you were to have it open like this and pour mud into it, it’d be over. But when it’s closed? This gun is sealed. Unlike an AK in which these tolerances are more open and therefore “more reliable”, that’s actually kind of a load of crap, the tolerances being tighter on this gun meant that it functioned more reliably, not less. [Off-camera]: The misconception that people have, is they think that having open space inside the gun will allow it to work dirt and mud out of the way. That -might- have some legitimacy, in when you’re not talking about very much gunk being in there. [Host]: Yep. [Off-camera]: When you’ve got this much mud, once it gets in, it’s all over. [Host]: The real answer is to keep the gun sealed- when it’s in combat-ready condition- sealed away from the ingress of debris and filth. And hte AR-15 does an excellent job of that, as we just saw. How many rounds? Twenty rounds, no malfunctions, literally submerged in mud. [Off-camera]: Fantastic. [Host]: So that being said, we’re done with that. Thank you for watching another episode of InRange. If you like this kind of content, please consider supporting us on Patreon, which provides us the funds to be able to do this. If you can’t, we understand, that’s no problem, we appreciate you watching. Just share the video, and join us in stabbing some sacred cows, because this myth has been going on way too long.
by Jesse Males
Source: InRangeTV Youtube
Eric, from Moss Pawn & Gun, attempts to burn out an AR-15 upper on an M16 lower. There are several specific products being used including: SRC Relia-Bolt BCG, Geissele Super Gas Block and an AR barrel from Faxon Firearms.
There are so many things that can go wrong. Gas tubes are designed to fail before the firearm will be destroyed. Watch the video to find out what happens, you won’t be disappointed!
[Eric] Hi everybody welcome back, this is Eric here, from Moss Pond and Gun. Do you ever have one of those days where you just need an AR break? Well that’s what we’re doing today. This is gonna be Ultimate AR-15 Meltdown. We’re gonna see what the AR can take in full-auto before it starts to have issues, okay? We’re running a standard M-16 lower, and we’re gonna run a commercial-type spec’d-out upper on it. We’ve got a standard Anderson Upper with a Sharps Rifle Company Relia-Bolt Bolt-carrier group, we’re really gonna put this little thing through its paces today; we’ve got a Geissele rail right here, you know I don’t really expect any issues out of this mark-three rail, it’s a thirteen-inch; we’ve got a Geissele gas block, that’s got the bomb-proof installation, so we’re gonna kinda be testing that, see how that holds together. We’ve got a Faxon one-in-eight twist stainless barrel with the melonite finish, with a single chamber clockable Faxon break. Alright, let’s see what this little thing can do here.
Now what we’ve done is, because we wanna see what type of grief that we can but the extractor through on this bolt, I’ve opted for some steel-based ammunition because steel’s usually pretty rough on the bolts. There’s a couple of things that can happen here, guys. We could have a cook-off, you know, the firearm could get so hot that the rounds actually start to explode prematurely, the heat from the barrel can be so hot that it can set the round off and cook the powder without the firing pin hitting the primer, so. That could be an issue. We could melt the gas tube, we could melt the gas rings inside of the bolt, we could shear the gas key on the bolt, all kinds of things could happen, but we’re gonna check it out here, see what happens, pretty much with the AR-15 system, the gas tube itself-now this is a gas-tube impingement system- the gas tube itself is usually what is the fuse of the entire system. The gas tube is designed to fail before the weapon destroys itself. Will it? Let’s find out.
Alright. Here we go.[Full-auto firing]
One down.[Again] [laughing] [More fire]
Gas block is getting hot ladies and gentlemen.[more fire]
Oh yeah, that’s hot. This gas tube, it’s about to go.[more fire]
I tell you what, let’s try an X-50 drum.[more fire]
One more for good taste. Uh-oh.[more fire]
Well that ran like a champ, didn’t it? Alright. Oh that barrel is hot OOH it’s hot.[more fire]
Did you hear that rate of fire pick up on that? This bad boy is getting hot. I don’t know, guys. But let’s keep going. That is one hot barrel. That sucker’s hot. Alright, we’re gonna stick with thirty-round mags. Oh, this is the hottest I’ve ever got an AR, this is getting a little bit crazy.[more fire]
Oohoholy Moses! Yeah![more fire] [laughter] oh that gas tube is freaking cooking, dude. [more fire]
Woah nelly! This thing is gettin’ hot! Oh man.[fire]
Oh this thing is getting warm! How about another X-50 to cool it off a little bit?[more fire]
Ohohoman hahaha! You see how cherry-hot this thing is?[click] [clearing the gun] [more fire]
She’s slowin’ down, I dunno, getting a little sluggish. We’re gonna keep runnin’ it, though.[more fire]
My trigger finger’s getting tired.[more fire]
That was, yeah. That started cooking off a little bit. We’re starting to cook off. You know what? One more.[fire]
Yeah guys. We just… we just jettisoned the break off the end of the gun. Yeah. One more. Why not?[one shot]
That was it. That was the gas tube. Done. That’s it, she’s done. Alright. We’ll see what happened.
Alright guys, well that was pretty freaking crazy. I’ve done a lot of crazy things with guns in my day, but that really surprised the heck out of me in terms of what happened. I mean, I knew the gun was gonna fail in some way or form, but I didn’t know the barrel was gonna bust. So our barrel failed. Gas block held, gas tube held, out Relia-bolt: just fine; and honestly the reliability of that thing, the entire rig just chugged along just fine until its utter demise. Not a single issue, I don’t see any problems with the bolt, we’re gonna start with the bolt and just disassemble it and have a look here.
And while I’m taking this thing apart, I do want to thank the guys out at QuietRiot for providing this M-16 lower for me today to use, because they knew that going into this that I could destroy the gun, but the lower? You know, you’re generally not gonna have any issues out of a lower. Usually with an AR design, your barrel is where all the pressure– it’s where all the magic happens. That’s why the rest of the firearm can be made out of aluminum, can be made out of polymer, really, that’s where the magic happens is with the barrel and everything. Firing pin looks good, powder pin looks good, this thing is still a little bit warm, that’s okay. Alright. Our cam pin looks good, our bolt looks good, gas rings look fine, extractor looks fine, gas key looks fine. There’s nothing wrong with this bolt. This bolt can go in any other gun and it would work fine and no-one would be any the wiser of what I did to it. Well, it’s going back in my gun. Alright, so the rest of the upper here: We’ve got the Geissele rail, did just fine, we did get one little bulge here on the side of the rail, that was from the barrel blowing, okay. now looking back at the slo-mo footage, we thought that maybe what had happened was like a sqib load or something, but according to the slow-motion footage, the round made it out, and then the round behind it made it out. I think we just got this barrel so hot that it couldn’t take it anymore.
Now you gotta think, that was eight-hundred thirty rounds of ammunition. Drum magazines, sticks, in a combat situation there’s a very very slim chance that you are going to fire this gun for that many shots in one sitting and actually get the thing hot enough to do that, ok, that shows the operational capacity of the AR-15, and it’s just really shocking. But what I’m going to try to do, I’m going to try to get the rail system off. Looking at the barrel, it looks like it did droop a little bit, some of you guys might be familiar with world-war-two and the germans running MG-42s and all different type of machine guns, well the MG-42 has a quick-change barrel system. Most heavy machine guns have a quick-change barrel system for the purposes of, you know, the barrel gets hot, you don’t cook your barrel off, you don’t start cookng off rounds, you don’t injure the gunner or the ammo-bearer or anything like that. You swap the barrel, and you get back to business. Ok. This gun? Not so much. It’s not designed for this type of abuse.
Alright, we’re gonna have a look at this Geissele rail over here, and see if we can get it off. I was getting a little bit nervous there near the end, that was kinda crazy. Don’t get me wrong, it’s one thing to have a little fun, but that was starting to freak me out a little bit. Let’s have a look here. Let’s see. Washers. Let’s not lose everything. See if maybe that thing will pop right off of there…
Hoho. Okay. One thing I like so much about Geissele’s rail systems, is the fact of how modular they are. I can swap these out, if I’ve got this one barrel knot, I can change it out to any type of rail system I want, so say it’s an operational environment: Oops, I screwed up my rail system, who cares, change it out, everything else is the same. Very quick change, very modular, very easy to take care of. Rail system’s fine other than the damage that occured when the barrel blew. I love that little rail. Now I’m gonna put my gloves back on. Guys, you know, we really just wanted to show how tough these little guns are, you know a lot of people talk a lot of smack about AR-15s, I personally am more of an AK guy, but I can certainly see the charm of the ARs. Modular, you can see how quickly I broke this down just in the field to clean and inspect what’s going on– well there ain’t no cleanin’ this.
So let’s look at the barrel, here. Now I’m not gonna touch it, because that booger is still hot. We’ve got some serious stuff going on there. The Geissele gas block: still holding up just fine, the bomb-proof installation –literally we did create a bomb with this thing, so the bombproof installation did its job. The Faxon barrel, you know, held up fine, as long as it’s good, but to give you an idea of how hot this thing really got, if you look down the barrel of this thing, it’s got so hot that for about the first ten inches of rifling, it’s just stripped it out. It got so hot that it was just carrying bits of rifling and– wow. It just really screwed this thing up. And of course our brake ended up working loose from the heat, and it’s somewhere downrange. It may have just fell right down here, we’re gonna look for the brake. But we did end up losing our brake, which I can imagine not being a common problem to happen. If you’re really running a lot of rounds out of this thing, that could happen.
Let’s have a look down from the muzzle end –and yes, it is unloaded guys, there’s no bolt in it, there’s no ammo in it. Yeah. Wow. That… that’s just so freakish. The wear of this barrel after getting it that hot and those amount of rounds– have you ever looked at like an oldschool twenty-two barrel, that had probably about 60,000 rounds put through it, and it’s probably about 120 years old like an old Winchester 1890 or something that looks like it’s got barely traces of rifling left because it’s been shot sixty-thousand times? It looks like that. It looks like Marlin Micro-Groove rifling, but like, worse. That’s exactly what it reminds me of. Wow.
I tell you what, the purposes of these videos, guys, is to learn something. I learned something. Yeah it cost us a little money, we burned up a little ammo, but hey. That’s the whole point of science, is to learn things and to document it. I guess that kinda makes me a scientist. Sort of. So guys I appreciate you watching this, hope you learned something from it. We had a lot of fun making it, we’ll catch you next time.
Source: Iraqveteran8888 Youtube
If you’re craving to shoot a gatling gun, well you can now turn your AR-15 into one. Just by installing this conversion kit from Two Z Precision, this will allow you to fire 3 rounds per turn once installed.
This video below highlights Jerry Miculek taking your ordinary gat and turn it into a mini Gatling Gun! Complete with mini crank and all, able to fire almost 700 Rounds per minute on a standard semi-auto AR-15. After watching Jerry shoot, it obviously doesn’t look like a practical way of shooting and handling the AR, obviously its more for shoot and laughs.
Some folks on GlockTalk have even talked about employing a motor to the gat with a push button to activate the firing. Now before you all go and try to install one, be sure to check with the ATF ruling on this, anyways here’s the conversation on GlockTalk.
cowboy1964: I’m also familiar with bump fire stocks and such. After seeing this video it got me to thinking: would it be legal to put a motor on the handle and a push button to activate it? What, exactly, is the ATF rule/law that would make that illegal? The trigger is still being pulled for each shot, which I thought was the only criteria. Obviously this crank system involves no actual finger on the trigger so I don’t think they could argue that your finger has to actually manipulate the trigger directly.
I can see ATF having to make a “clarification” on this 🙂
(PS. I’m not going to do this so don’t harass me ATF! I’m just asking the question)
CarryTexas: These have been around awhile. They had them back in the early 90s and were called a BMF Activator. And no you can’t put a motor on it.
SJ40: I first remember seeing them in the 80’s,IIRC they went under the name of Activator but yes they have been around a while. SJ 40
DJNiner: In fact, if I remember correctly, mine came with a little piece of paper in the package, clearly stating that if you attached any kind of motor to it, you would be violating the law.
I used mine quite regularly on my bipod-supported 10/22 with high-capacity magazines. Lottsa fun!
Sigobsessed: I remember seeing these in the 80s, good way to blow through your ammo budget quick that’s fo sho!
J.R.BobDobbs: Same old junk has been sold for decades. Seems like you couldnt hold the gun properly and turn the crank. Advertizements like this make black-rifle owners look insane to the general public.
Haldor: Not a gray area at all. How does a minigun work? Electronic triggers have been available for some time. Weapons that use them are still Title 1 firearms. A machine gun with an electric trigger would still be an NFA item.
God I wish the Hughes amendment would be reversed. What a stupid law. With the GOP and supreme court in its current state I guess we are very unlikely to see that happen.
So has anyone tried out or made something similar on your AR?
Hey guys I’m Jerry Miculek. And what a beautiful day to be out on the range. Kinda give you an idea; the other day I was sitting around the house, I realized I had way too much ammunition at home, I was gonna hire some people to come out here and shoot it for me, but they wanted too much for that to happen, so I started researchung on the internet, and I came up on reddit with this little crank for your gat right here. So that’s kinda a tricky little deal for what the paperwork said, every time you make a revolution it’ll fire three rounds so, we’re gonna take the flag out here and kinda give you an idea what exactly happens here when you’ve got this gizmo.
Alright, we’re clear. We’re on fire, so you start it- [click] that was one time, [click click click] that was two, wo-hoa! [click-click] and three. So that’s three per cycle, so I figured this would save me a lotta money, I wouldn’t have to hire help to come out and shoot my ammunition up. So being an enthusiast like I am, if I’m gonna shoot my ammo I’m gonna time it. So I’ve got a timer here that actually times revolutions– rounds per minute, not revolutions. Rounds per minute. So, this does three rounds per revolution, got thirty round mags, ten spins and I should have ten rounds out, so it sounds like it should be fun. What do you think guys, you wanna crank ’em up? Let’s go ahead, put it on safe, load it up, and see if we can actually hit something from the hip with this gat simulator here.
Alright, here we go! We’re on safe, we’re loaded, My timer is cutoff– why’d you do that? It’s ready to go! We’re on fire! Alright, let’s see if we can light up this gizmo here, here we go![RAPID GUNFIRE] [Laughter]
Alright! we’re empty! I tell you what, alright let’s go ahead ‘n flag ’em. [laughter] Well that was kinda interesting, guys! That was kinda fun! Let’s see what it did– you know what I did? It’s got a can on it, it didn’t pick up a shot. Alright. I shoulda realized that, but there you have it guys! We got thirty rounds off.
Hey guys, I didn’t realize the suppressor worked that good, so I’ve taken it off, I’ve got another thirty-round mag, we had put twenty-seven rounds on that previous target, So we’ve got our get crank here, we’re gonna see what kinda rate of fire we can get. A standard M-16 will function between seven-fifty [to] nine-fifty rounds per minute, and I’ve got this thing set and it’s ready to go on rounds per minute, so we’re gonna take this thirty-round mag, and see what we can do.
Goin’ hot! eyes and ears. Alright, time on! Finger ready! Here we go![GUNFIRE]
Yo! Thirty rounds! Clear, safety on! Alright, alright let’s go back and review our trusty timer here. Picked up thirty rounds, and uh, that was actually six hundred and eighty-one rounds per minute, so on the low end of it. Accuracy wise I think we probably– well we made a few misses there right on the get-go. if I had a laser on it or a flashlight to see where we’re aiming, it’s a little bit harder to get it on target, but I’ll tell you what, we’re about to swap it up, we’re gonna make it more exciting.
Hey guys, you remember I told you I had trouble with too much ammunition, and I wanted to hire help but it would have been too expensive? Well I came up with a better idea, I got a gat, but then I came up with another idea: You know I’ve got this ammunition to get rid of, I’ve got my gat, I’ve got my swivel here, it’s not gonna have effective fire, but I also wanna help the environment, I wanna help people. So what I’ve got here, what I have down-range is a bunch of sugar-filled drinks, guys. this leads to all kindsa childhood obesity, and diabetes, and just– so I bought as much of it as I could afford today, and I’m tryin’ to help as many people as I can, and I’ve got some other toys here. I’ve got a sixty-round P-mag So we’ve got a bunch of toys here, we’re gonna save the planet, we’re gonna help a bunch of people, we’re gonna get rid of this bad ammunition, so let’s just see if we can make all this happen– see what it looks like! Alright! Got my little Turret action going here, check this out guys! When you get bored on the range, you come up with all kindsa neat ideas. Alright! On a count of three, let’s see how many bottles we can get. One, two, three![Gunfire]
Woo! Haha! Alright! So there you have it, guys! I saved a lotta people from a lotta problems, I smoked my new suppressor, burned my barrel, all in one day, what d’you say, guys?
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Source: Jerry Miculek Youtube, TwoZPrecision.com
Everybody has an AR because of its reliability, durability and flexibility. Besides owning a shotgun an AR is the next best thing for a home defense.
Below video highlights Richard Nance (GunsandAmmo Editor) and Dave Spaulding (Handgun Combatives) discussing tactics and techniques using an AR-15 which any lawful citizen can learn.
They talk about best ways to enter and clear a room while not extending your AR out there. But if you do there are some weapon retention methods that can be used to retain your AR. So sit back and enjoy this training session.
Speakers: Richard Nance (gunsandammo host), Dave Spaulding (HandgunCombatives.com)[gunshots]
Richard Nance: “Well Dave, it’s really no mystery why the AR15 is the preferred weapon of tactical teams. I mean you’re not going into a structure hunting a dangerous badguy with a handgun if they have access to an AR. That explains why the AR is so wildly popular now for home defense.”
Dave Spaulding: “I agree.”
RN: “But unfortunately, in home defense you need to understand some of the nuances of this weapon, because while we tend to think of close-quarters combat as say, seven yards, fifteen yards, there could be situations in your home where you’re much closer than that.”
DS: “Right, and the homeowner needs to understand that they’re not part of a tactical team.”
RN: “Exactly right.”
DS: “We made a fairly quick entry into this room, and I think the homeowner needs to understand that they need to go slow, they wanna be methodical, because one thing you don’t want to be in a hurry to do is get shot.”
RN: “Exactly. You’re gonna take as much information as you can from outside the room and everything else.”
RN: “But rather than talk about tactics, I wanna talk about the use of a longgun in a confined setting.”
RN: “So, you know, here is the typical shoulder-mount that we often use. Now, when we’re entering a room, you can imagine our muzzle is definitely going to preceed our movement into that room.”
RN: “There’s some other positions that we wanna consider using, and what we can do is: Unload these guns, use an inert training gun, and I can demonstrate some of these for you.”
DS: “I think that’s a good idea.”[Unloading]
RN: “Good there. Ok, let me come back outside the room here. And if I enter with this huge, long musket here… I mean, if you’re a badguy and you’re secreted in the corner of the room, you’re gonna shoot me. Because you know I’m behind this gun.”
RN: “If you’re unarmed, you have ample opportunity to grab hold of this, and there’s so much leverage here, you could certainly off-balance me.”
DS: “And for the viewer, I should let them know, this is a full-length M16. A car bead(?) that’s commonly used nowadays is gonna be a little shorter, but what you’re getting ready to talk about still applies.”
RN: “Exactly. So, sometimes that’s remedied by the use of a low-ready -or even like a safety-circle type position- when you enter the room. That way, the muzzle doesn’t preceed your movement into the room by much.The only problem is, if I’m coming in the room from the low-ready, and you’re there and you grab hold of the weapon, I’m kind of in a bad position here.”
DS: “Now I have the leverage. Absolutely.”
RN: “So, oftentimes people say, ‘if someone grabs my gun, I’ll just shoot them off’, well if you’re exerting pressure there, then shooting the weapon isn’t going to take care of the problem.”
DS: “Well, Rich if you go ahead and just fire a buncha rounds, this barrel’s gonna get hot, and he’s gonna let go. But what’re you firing those rounds into?”
RN: “Exactly right.”
RN: “So, I mean, you gotta be accountable for every round. Another option is to enter the room in what’s called that close-quarter hold, right? So I’m in the room like this, now if you grab hold of it, I can actually take it away from you, using what’s caled COPP. Clamp, Orient, Push, Pull. So I’m already clamped here, the muzzle’s oriented to you, but the same technique works if you grabbed it this way. Just orient the muzzle to you this way, then Push-Pull. Driving the muzzle in, and pulling back.”
DS: “The leverage is definitely yours.”
RN: “Exactly. And this is actually a firing position that we can demonstrate. So why don’t we get the live-fire guns back up, and we will demonstrate shooting at close-quarters from this close-quarter control hold,and above here like this.”
DS: “Okay, let’s do it!”
RN: “Dave, I’m gonna load this AR-15, we’re gonna go hot again just for a second. Just to live-fire some of these positions I just showed. The first is a close-quarter hold, I’m gonna clamp down here, now–”[GUNFIRE]
RN: “–Pretty dang good shots from here. This isn’t something you’re gonna do at extended range. Then you would want to have the sights, and you have the shoulder mount. Another option we showed here, and that is after I drive the muzzle into the badguy and I’m pulling it back here–”[GUNFIRE]
RN: “Get my effectiveness here, I’m not even seeing the sights. It’s similar to shooting from here with a handgun at extreme close quarters.”
RN: “Now why would I come over the shoulder? Because you have a little further length of pull there, to completely extract the muzzle from the badguy’s hands.”
DS: “Rich, that is great information, and I think what homeowners need to understand before they select the AR-15 is, it is a different gun than a handgun. That, you know, it’s like anything else. You gotta give careful consideration, you gotta select the weapon that works best for you, you gotta train with it, and then you gotta do some really solid preparation in order for it to work for you.”
RN: “Excellent point, Dave. Thanks a lot.”
Source: Richard Nance – GunsandAmmo, Dave Spaulding – Handgun Combatives