After seeing another blog claim that the AK47 shot 10 MOA (or 10″ groups at 100 yards), James Reeves became fed up with the bullshit and decided to test the prevalent belief that the AK is an inaccurate combat rifle.
In this episode of TFBTV, James compares an American made AR15 to a Russian and Serbian/Yugoslavian AK to answer this question (and perhaps bust this myth?) once and for all.
James uses the Yugo M70 AK and Saiga SGL21 AK shooting 124 grain Wolf ammo.
AR’s was very easy to maintain a 2 inch grouping at 100 yards.
The Saiga AK’s came up with one and three quarters inches groupings.
Overall, the AR’s may be easier to work with on getting repetitive accuracies. But these AK’s actually did well with crappy Wolf ammo. What do you all think and do you own an AK?, have you customized it at all? Let us know below in the comment section.
Sources: TFB TV Youtube, James Reeves
The folks from AK47 Local Union did a live-fire barrel test between a Daniel’s Defense AR-15 against the classic Vepr AK-47.
These two guns have gone head-to-head on battlefields across the world early in the “cold war” to current terrorist threats, but how will they fare in this range competition?
Well I have to admit these two famous rifles came out pretty much neck-and-neck for accuracy and robustness, even at high barrel temperatures. (very hot)
Interesting how the AK-47 round seemed to have significant drift when the winds were up downrange, but as mentioned, this has been a known factor for the AK over the years. On the other side the AR-15 dropped about an inch or two for its grouping at high temperatures, but the barrel cooled off more quickly than its rival.
Many in the U.S. will probably pick the AR over the AK, but the rest of the world may choose the AK. The AK-47 respectively has a solid simple design for the grunts. AR-15’s with its progressive modification capabilities makes it ideal for all situation weapon. So what do you think, which firearm would you use and why?
Clash of the titans! Two rifles: A Vepr and Daniel Defense! First let me start with the Vepr. An action episode this time, we were working on the barrel and the things connected to the barrel, but first let me start with the vepr. As you can see, the Vepr was slightly modified, I did modify the stock adapter from our friends from Difinitive Arms, to fit the M4 stock, and the reason behind it is, because later down the line, we[‘re] going to do much more with those rifles and optics, and I want to give them equal chance, equal opportunity, for the vepr, and it shouldn’t be discriminated because of the stupid polymer stock, which is standard on the rifle, but is not very good for the optics, as we all know. Besides, we have like five-hundred dollars difference between the Vepr and the DanielDefense, so we can spend some money on the Vepr and upgrade the Vepr.
But, enough with the bullshit talk. What we did today, this is a very cool test, guys, and I think so that a lot of you guys were saying that this test would actually favor the Vepr because of the heavy barrel, so one thing we’re doing, we’re shooting a group of five shots from the twenty-five yards, and then we’re doing the magazine dump, and not magazine, but four magazines. Four magazines dump, I checked the temperatures, I think so the hottest point was on the gas block for the Vepr, and it was close to four-hundred degrees fahrenheit. But this was the first group, as you can see the grouping is impressive. What I’m looking for is the center of the group, and then the shift, point of impact shift, after warming up the rifle. And as I said, this case we only got only fifty-five degrees of fahrenheit outside temperature, but the barrel warmed up after four magazines to like four-hundred degrees. And this was the first group before the warm up, and this is the second group. after the warmup. So as you can see, there is almost no point of impact shift. So Vepr did very very nice in this test, and as expected. This is the benefit of having the hot heavy barrel, and the heavy barrel benefits the Vepr in this punch-out shootout.
Still, I was kinda surprised, I mean I know that we are reaching the four-hundred and four-hundred-fifty -depends on the ambient temperature-, but that rifle warm[ed] up, warm[ed] up after the magazines. We had one malfunction, but it was obviously not the Vepr’s fault, the primer [fell] out from the Wolf ammo, so this is not the rifle’s fault, okay? Whatever happened there. But it happened, and it’s documented, and you can see the picture [indistinguishable]. But the Wolf ammo is… eh, it’s Wolf ammo, I will leave it at that.
Then, then we switch to Daniel Defense, M4 V-11 Lightweight, and a lot of you were saying that this is where this rifle is going to get punished. As you can see, I put on it the iron sights, I didn’t want to use optics on any of those rifles for now, for this test, because I don’t want to be blaming optics on the heat or whatever. So we stick to the iron sights. And these are Troy iron sights, so if you want to calculate the cost, yes it’s almost a hundred-fifty dollars more now, on the Daniel Defense, so this thing– I just keep throwing the money at it. All joking aside, let’s look at the target from DanielDefense, guys. This was the target from DanielDefense, and as you can see, this was the first group, and then after the four magazines dump, we had the shift by– I would say about one inch down. So this is the twenty-five yards, and you gotta multiply this, now, by four if you want to be for the one-hundred, so you will probably have about four inches, more or less, four inches shift at the one-hundred yards when you will do the four magazine dumps in a row.
What was really interesting, this rifle didn’t warm up as much as AK. We were way below four-hundred, we were in the upper three-hundreds, that was the barrel part right here, and that was kind of interesting to see. Actually though, we didn’t warm up as much as we did on the Vepr. Now, interesting thing, guys, we took both rifles to see so-called ‘combat accuracy’, ok, Iron Sights at three-hundred yards distance, on ten shots with the AR with those Iron Sights, ten hits, really nothing exciting to report, the rifle shot very very well, and all hits landed on target.
One thing I forgot to say, we had two malfunctions when doing the barrel test– the original barrel test. Again, it was a problem with the ammo, it was the light primer sights. But then absolutely nothing. So maybe because the rifles were still new, maybe they both had some issues, I don’t know, forget about it.
But going back to shooting at three-hundred yards, ten for ten, no issues with wind. We have wind today, and no issues from Daniel Defense, it performed as it should, so that was nice to see. Now, let me talk about the Vepr, and the three-hundred yards. So, I made the ten shots, almost immediately I switched to the Vepr and started placing shots on target, and all shots landed on the right side, and when I went to check on the target, I had three misses, and let me tell you this guys, I’m no stranger of shooting the AK at three-hundred yards, so for me this was disappointing. You have only seven hits. The thing is, as you can see, the hits were placing constantly on the right side, and the misses went to the right side, and the reason for this is, from what I was shooting there wasn’t that much of the wind, but on the targets, I had the wind from left to right, I had no optic, and I couldn’t see that there is some movement, I assume that I have the wind, I didn’t make correction. When I shot with the correction, you can see I was able to place the targets in the middle of the target and do the nice grouping. But first group counts, and what happened, you know, ten shots, seven hits, three misses. So, it is what it is. This just shows you how that 7.62 by 39 round is, guys, is prone to wind. And you have to, I keep preaching this, when you’re shooting that caliber, you have to watch out, especially when you are shooting at that extended range. [The] farther you go, more punished by wind you will be. And this was basically the case.
But that’s it for this episode, as you can see, you can see what Daniel Defense can do as far as the barrel when it’s heated up, and what the Vep– and what impact of heat that does or does not have on the Vepr. Both rifles are going strong so far, we have managed to log almost 500 rounds per each, I think it was something like 470 and 485, a little bit more on the Vepr. I will call this almost 500 rounds. And with the initial hiccups at the beginning, nothing else happened, both rifles are going strong. So that’s it for this episode, we’ll be back for more, stay tuned to the Clash of the Titans series. Thanks for watching!
Original idea from Andy Van Loan revised by AmsjStaff
Source: AK Operators Union, Local 47-74
There are many ways to reload an AK-47 with one hand, in this video clip Polenar Tactical demonstrates one way of reloading after firing rapidly. This is to simulate reloading with an injured arm while shooting from the standing position.
Source: ironpool1 Imgur.com, Polenar Tactical Youtube, Ak Operators Union – Local 47-74 Youtube
If you’re press for time, you might want to try the AK. If you’re good, you may be able to carve this pumpkin in less than 50 seconds with a couple of clips.
Source: hickok45 Youtube
This video highlights Larry Vickers of Vickers Tactical firing hundreds of round with an AK-47 and see the internal dynamics of this famous gun in slow motion.
The AK-47 family is a very reliable combat weapon. Massed produced out of stamped metals using a fairly simple gas piston cycling action the stories of the robustness of these rifles are renowned. The weapon was designed to be used in all types of environment.
Anyone who has fired one is always surprised by how easy it is to operate and accurate to shoot with and last the recoil is highly manageable. Maybe this is why the AK-47 is still the most preferred weapon of insurgents, terrorists and military around the world.
Source: Andy van Loan, Bravo Company USA, Vickers Tactical Youtube, Larry Vickers, Wikipedia
A well-made, accurate and good-looking AK-47 that is 100 percent made in the USA with no imported parts actually exists. Century Arms introduced the C39v2, 7.62x39mm semiautomatic rifle in 2014, and it continues to exceed our expectations. After receiving quite a bit of user feedback from the original C39, Century Arms made some intelligent changes and upgrades, resulting in the C39v2, which has set it apart from other AKs on the market. Even AK purists are having a hard time finding fault with their latest C39 variant.
While elegant isn’t a term usually associated with an AK-47, the C39v2 earns the descriptor. With a milled receiver machined from a solid 11-pound block of 4140 ordnance-quality steel and lightening grooves on each side, gone is the rough industrial look of the traditional stamped AK. Marry this receiver to the high-quality wooden forend furniture and Warsaw-length stock, finish the receiver and barrel inside and out in black nitrite, and you have one classy-looking rifle!
The obvious upgrades to the v2 include the sights, magazine release and safety that have been changed from the original Century Arms C39. After much feedback they brought back the traditional AK iron sights, allowing those with standard AK sight tools to breathe a sigh of relief. The new oversized T-shaped extended magazine catch might appear to be cumbersome at first glance; however, just as oversized controls on pistols and shotguns have proven useful, the v2’s large release proved an asset for aggressive and fast magazine changes. Proof in point that bigger can be better. The safety has a very positive, crisp feel, and includes a notched detail that receives the charging handle and locks it in place, keeping the bolt open. In combination with the modified dust cover the C39v2 safety won’t over-rotate past the dust cover, as with some stamped AKs, and is easy to remove for servicing.
Century Arms didn’t cut corners when it came to components. Green Mountain makes the C39v2’s 16.5-inch barrel with a 1:10 twist and a concentric left-hand 14×1 metric thread that comes equipped with a chevron muzzle break. They chose a high quality barrel and used black nitrite to coat it inside and out, which ensures longevity and accuracy over the life of the gun. Similarly, the double-stack bolt design and lightening slots in the bolt carrier – whether you are a fan of that feature or not – show quality machining throughout.
Century Arms answered the demand for a better trigger in the v2 by creating and manufacturing the RAK-1 trigger group. Using a double-hook single-stage trigger with Wolf springs, the RAK-1 is arguably the closest thing to an AK match-grade trigger on the market. An innovative relief cut allows the RAK-1 to be used in receivers designed to only accept single-hook triggers. Most AK triggers require polishing on the top to eliminate bolt hang up. The RAK-1’s top-profile design is already optimized, making additional tweaking unnecessary. For an AK trigger the RAK-1 has very little uptake, breaks at 5 pounds and has a crisp reset. While this trigger is nothing fancy compared to what the M4 market is accustomed to, it is well made, does the job and fits other AK-variant rifles and pistols such as the RAS47, WASR, N-PAP and C39s.
But how does it shoot? Get the rifle off the bench and onto the range! Zeroing from the prone position at 100 yards with Wolf ammo, the C39v2 shot a consistent 2-inch group. Why zero at 100? Because friends don’t let friends zero AKs at 7 yards! Century Arms claims that the C39v2 shoots one minute of angle out of the box, which very well may be the case in the hands of a more experienced AK enthusiast.
Over the 500-plus rounds fired through this gun while testing, there were no malfunctions other than the most infuriating and common AK malfunction: running dry! The rifle cycled with boring reliably and smooth operation without interruption, as is expected of a well-made AK. If you love AKs, you probably love a pump shotgun for the physical handling required to effectively run both. Reloads are the best example: rocking the empty mag out with a new one and slamming the next one home isn’t a delicate operation. Simply put, the more aggressive you are with this AK, the better it performs.
Concerning the C39v2’s durability: It’s an AK. They were designed to be driven over, dropped, submerged, survive the Russian “push up test” (where the person doing the pushup balances the AK upright on the magazine, and holds each end while conducting pushups – all the weight, pressure and balance point is on the magazine resting on the ground) and run as intended, depending on the volume of gravel accumulated in the action. That being said, it’s easy to tear down, clean and get back up and running because, well, it’s an AK. Being made with quality components only stands to increase the C39v2’s durability and longevity in the hands of a hard-use discerning shooter.
Downsides to the C39v2? For some, the additional weight from the milled receiver that brings the rifle to a whopping 8.2 pounds may be an issue. Because Century Arms designed the receiver to be compatible with after-market modern Kalashnikovs (slight modifications may be required) and polymer furniture, these components can be changed out if weight is that critical. Gym memberships may also be an option for consideration.
The chevron muzzle break may be the only component that some would wish to change out. That being said, it’s a simple procedure, and arguably the only metal component on the rifle that may not suit an AK shooter’s tastes. A contemporary AK shooter will wish there was a side mount for optics while AK traditionalists may shed a tear when they find the C39v2 lacks a bayonet lug and cleaning rod. However, this allows it to adhere to California laws, and is available in a bullet button version to make West Coasters leap with joy.
Out of the box the v2 already has the majority of value-added upgrades most enthusiasts look to change in stock versions. Century Arms has delivered an affordable, quality AK with the added patriotic benefit of sourcing and making it entirely in the US. Given our nation’s ever-changing import bans and regulations, having an AK-47 manufacturer stateside that listens to its customers and is willing to evolve their product is a great asset to the US firearms community. As more shooters experience the C39v2 and appreciate it, the only question that remains is, can Century Arms keep up with demand? ASJ
The AK-47 is not the most accurate weapon when compared to other assault rifles, such as the M4(AR-15). The accuracy of the AK usually when taken out of the box is steady at 4 inch group. Though over time, changes in its accuracy begin to spread out to 5.8 inch group at 100 yards. This is more than likely due to poor maintenance. When compared to the accuracy of the M4, which can easily hold a 3 inch group at 100 yards.
The reason for the AK’s lack of accuracy is due to its “functioning” and projectiles ballistic coefficient. The AK-47 is made up of only a few “moving” parts. There are fewer parts, these parts are made up of large chunks of metal. Take the bolt for example once fired. The hunk of metal that unlocks and flies back once fired is pretty heavy when compared to the M4. As it rides the railing and slams to the back, the weapons harmonics are disturbed significantly, take a look at a few videos of the AK-47 fired in slow motion and see the amount of barrel whip.
There may be a decrease in accuracy due to the fact that the rifles hand guard is made up of wood. Wood has a notorious tendency to bend, tighten, and loosen under temperature changes. For example, in the summer time, the doors within your home may become harder to open and close because wood expands and shrinks when hot. This shrinking and expansion of the wood hand guard, though minuet, changes the harmonics of the barrel.
The AK-47 can withstand environments in the desert, mud, cold, extreme heat (109+ degrees Fahrenheit), rain, snow, etc. Malfunctions do occur, usually is failure to feed. Why is that?
Due to the weapons design and function. The fact that there are fewer parts needed to operate the weapon, there are fewer parts to get obscured by any foreign objects such as dirt, mud, etc. The debris simply falls out of the rifle, so it doesn’t affect the critical mechanisms needed to fire the weapon. This is a “peasant” weapon, its suppose to be, there is a reason why our enemies continue to use this weapon system. If you get a chance to compare the trigger housing on an AK and M4 do so and see the differences. Once disassemble, note the open spaces in the trigger mechanism and the designs of the bolt, just picture how debris would and can maneuver in each platform.
In summary the AK-47 when customized, can be highly accurate for an assault rifle. Remember you can’t make this into a sniper rifle, there are other rifles better built for long range shooting. In terms of close quarter shooting providing suppressive fire, reliability and longevity, the AK-47 can do the job.